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Please help me understand why this contribution was declined.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registranthfa
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The contribuition was to change the title to: "Star Wars I: The Phantom Menace: Widescreen" from: "Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace".  The vote was 25 : 4 in favor.

http://www.invelos.com/MyProfiler.aspx?display=contributions&task=votes&id=460700

The notes say: "Changed the title to be in the same form consistent with the other two of the series: Star Wars II: Attack of the Clones, Star Wars III: Revenge of the Sith. Make Edition "Widescreen" in the same manner as the other two since this is the widescreen edition".

Should the titles of the other two be changed instead of this one to make it all consistent?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantnuoyaxin
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Consistency for the Edition field is not of importance, it is only important what's actually on the cover.

If you want them consistent in your collection you will have to keep that one local.
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Both episode II and III actually have Widescreen on the cover. For episode I, it says "Every saga has a beginning".
So the Edition field should be left blank for this title. The Edition field always has to match the cover.

That's the reason why it got declined. As ya_shin pointed out, you can change it locally. If you lock the title, the edition field should also be locked, preventing it from being overwritten should a profile update occur.
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Other than that "The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs", so if there's no fullscreen version available there's also no reason to use widescreen in the edition field.
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Quoting hfa:
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"Star Wars I


Shouldn't it be "Star Wars: I" with a colon, anyway?
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Before this goes too far, we've had 12 pages of this just about a month ago
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Hfa:

Data consistency is determined by the DVD and what is ACTUALLY on the Cover NOT what you believe it to be.

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Billy Video
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Quoting skipnet50:
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Hfa:

Data consistency is determined by the DVD and what is ACTUALLY on the Cover NOT what you believe it to be.

Skip


ACK! Cosmetic repairs should be kept local! 
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FYI...No where in the rules does it say that the DVD Edition must come from the Front Cover. It actually says to "take it from the DVD box".  
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8Ball:

Did I say anything about that aspect. However we have also been arund the horn on this SPECIFIC title and I AM on the record regarding it. Making up data that appears nowhere other than the FEATURES section of the back cover is simply bizarre. If a user wants to do that locally thats' his business.

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Max is quite right, had the "Widescreen" edition come from the back or the spine it would be right according to the rules.
However, if the cover in question is like the UK one - it ain't on the back or side either! 

@hfa
If you like you should be able to resubmit the title as "Star Wars I: The Phantom Menace"
However, as there is no "Widescreen" edition on the cover, you can't add it to the online database, just your local.
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I disagree with many posters here.  According to the rules, it's always safe to use one of the built-in selections.  Widescreen is one of the built in slections and is necessary to distinguish from the fullscreen release.  It doesn't say anything prominently on the cover because there was initially only one version released.  This has nothing to do with consistency within the series and everything to do with distinguishing various releases, which is the whole purpose of the field.  I do think needs ot be more specifically addressed in the rules, but this seems to be a reasonable interpretation as they are currently written.
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To clarify: the purpose of the edition field isn't to replicate the cover.  That's what cover scans are for.  The purpose is to distinguish between editions.  We are to use what it says on the cover where applicable because that's generally the easiest way to distinguish, but aren't supposed to ignore the purpose of the field with the cover is not helpful in this regard.
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Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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I disagree with many posters here.  According to the rules, it's always safe to use one of the built-in selections.  Widescreen is one of the built in slections and is necessary to distinguish from the fullscreen release.


Unfortunately, no it's not one of the built in selections.  It is listed as an example in the rules which causes the confusion, but it is not one of the built in entries in the drop down box.

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To clarify: the purpose of the edition field isn't to replicate the cover.  That's what cover scans are for.  The purpose is to distinguish between editions.


This I agree with as the intention of the field and since a Full Screen version of this DVD does exist I think it should be allowed.
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And since the Full Screen Version is marked specifically, there is NO FIURTHER need to distinguish any further, since there is NO SUCH distinction on the Widescreen. They are already distinguished from each other, one with no version per Fox and one Full Screen version also per Fox.

All that is happening here is muddying the water for a poor new user. If you want to mark it as such KEEP IT LOCAL, Vega and Ace. It does not belong in the online, it is merely a fictitious piece of data that has no such relevance as you imply.

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I have to agree with Vega and Ace on the edition field, unless the rules get rewritten to clarify. 

Since everyone likes to qupte the rules:
The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition). It's usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate. If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title.

If there is a full screen version and a widescreen, and no other edition indicators are there, then both profiles should be mark accordingly to distinguish between them.  The rules make no mention of the covers either.
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