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Global Economic Meltdown
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The first victim to fall prey to the current economic meltdown may be an entire country...

Iceland on the brink of bankruptcy

Scary, isn't it .
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Things are going to get very ugly! 
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Very ugly and very quickly.

The company I work for is now struggling to meet payroll. They had an emergency strategic planning meeting yesterday...and it's not looking good for the home team. I know of many medium to small businesses that are now in trouble. The next thing to come will be the layoffs.
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Iceland have been in trouble for a long time, especially because on an extreme inflation and interest rates at around 15%.

At least here in Norway, neither people nor the government is really worried about this, and it seems the rest of Europe is also heading in the right direction. I do thing real estate prices will drop quite a bit here in Norway, but the prices are way too high at the moment so that's a good thing. Aside form that, I'm not worried.

The problem in the US was the subprime. The most important thing is that people are able to handle their loans. If that collapses, that's when the big problems arise.
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The first victim to fall prey to the current economic meltdown may be an entire country...

You mean next to Lehmann Bros, AIG or the German Hypo Real Estate (another 100 billion € go down the drain) and the resulting loss of hundredthousands of jobs?

Sure, if a whole country is involved this makes better headlines, but on the other hand which country isn't involved?

The real victims will not show up in any news report, there will be too many of them for making it worth a headline.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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Fasten your seat belts, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

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The problem in the US was the subprime. The most important thing is that people are able to handle their loans. If that collapses, that's when the big problems arise.


What do you think I'm talking about? How do you think companies make payroll? The money doesn't grow on trees (well, the Federal Reserve seems to think so). Payroll comes in the form of loans. With the current credit market conditions, companies that are already struggling, such as mine due to out of control fuel prices, will be forced to layoff employees or worse. That means more unemployment. All of this is going to cause a chain reaction throughout the entire economy. Retailers will struggle with falling sales...can't buy stuff when you just got laid off. Crime will rise...desperate times lead to desperate measures.

You think Norway is safe from this? Remember, Norway doesn't exist in a bubble.
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I know. I was just trying to explain the difference between some countries. Subprime don't really exist in Norway, and interest rates have gone from a low of 1,25% to 5,75% in a few years, and with the latest development interest rates from the banks have gone even higher. It may be a little tough for some, but there's no sign that the Norwegian housing market will collapse, because people are still managing to pay their mortgages.

The un-employment rate is at an all-time low, so all this crisis will do over here, is bringing things back to normal. According to the newspapers today, Norwegian banks are solid and the financial minister recently said that we would see a slowdown, but no crisis.

So yes, this is affecting everyone, but certain countries (like Iceland) did not have a good "starting position" when this hit.

Of course it could get much much worse, and we may see an economic collapse worldwide, but I doubt it.  So it was not to sound cocky or anything, but I do feel quite safe from where I sit.
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I know. I was just trying to explain the difference between some countries. Subprime don't really exist in Norway, and interest rates have gone from a low of 1,25% to 5,75% in a few years, and with the latest development interest rates from the banks have gone even higher. It may be a little tough for some, but there's no sign that the Norwegian housing market will collapse, because people are still managing to pay their mortgages.

The un-employment rate is at an all-time low, so all this crisis will do over here, is bringing things back to normal. According to the newspapers today, Norwegian banks are solid and the financial minister recently said that we would see a slowdown, but no crisis.

So yes, this is affecting everyone, but certain countries (like Iceland) did not have a good "starting position" when this hit.

Of course it could get much much worse, and we may see an economic collapse worldwide, but I doubt it.  So it was not to sound cocky or anything, but I do feel quite safe from where I sit.


I hope you're right, but I doubt it.

This is a global financial problem and no one is going to go unscathed.

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Iceland maybe almost bankrupt but so is the US.
The US is more than $10 trillion in debt.
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Iceland maybe almost bankrupt but so is the US.
The US is more than $10 trillion in debt.

So is Germany
latest count on states debts 1.515.000.000.000 € and they rise per second at a rate of 474 €.
This means every German (from newborn child to near dead) has states debt of 18400 €. 
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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@8BallMax

According to CNN, Fox News, and some local news stations California will be bankrupt by October 28, 2008 without a loan from the Federal Reserve for essential services.   Not good if you live in California like Max and I.

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So is Germany
latest count on states debts 1.515.000.000.000 € and they rise per second at a rate of 474 €.
This means every German (from newborn child to near dead) has states debt of 18400 €. 


According to that Finland is doing somewhat good (Though I think it doesnt take into account to who the dept is to, cause i've always thought Norway has zero dept?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt
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How do you think companies make payroll? The money doesn't grow on trees (well, the Federal Reserve seems to think so). Payroll comes in the form of loans.


Really?  I guess I don't know much about economics, or I'm behind the times.  I always through payroll came out of profits or accounts.  Like I always thought it worked this way - your company makes X this month, out of that you pay Y in payroll, Z for expenses, put A aside for later, and B goes to you the owner.  I suppose I'm just naive about the way things are supposed to work.
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Really?  I guess I don't know much about economics, or I'm behind the times.  I always through payroll came out of profits or accounts.  Like I always thought it worked this way - your company makes X this month, out of that you pay Y in payroll, Z for expenses, put A aside for later, and B goes to you the owner.  I suppose I'm just naive about the way things are supposed to work.


That is how business is supposed to work.  Unfortunately, it doesn't.  More and more, companies are borrowing money based on projected receivables.  When those receivables don't meet expectations, they borrow more money.  It can turn into a vicious cycle that ends with the company going under.
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I always through payroll came out of profits...

As a rule payroll is an expense.  Simply put, after you pay expenses you have profits.

Unless you are a film studio of course. 
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