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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,380 |
| | Posted: | | | | Can some one explane to me, why i have to watch black bars on a widescreen TV? Id take a wild guess that people watch movies the most at home, so shouldnt this force theaters to use 16:9 and not the other way around?? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,005 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting whispering: Quote:
Can some one explane to me, why i have to watch black bars on a widescreen TV? Id take a wild guess that people watch movies the most at home, so shouldnt this force theaters to use 16:9 and not the other way around?? They want the people to go to the cinemas and not watch movies at home. The widescreen format itself has been introduced, because people started having TVs. In the beginning the movies were all 4:3. | | | 
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is so simple to understand. Your TV, regardless of age, has a FIXED Aspect raio. Cinema does not have a fixed AR, therefore....black bars are going to occur...unless you like Pan & Scam to fill the screen or FOOL Screen.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | Anamorphic widescreen videos with aspect ratio of between 1:66 up to 1:95 should fill the 16x9 screen comfortably.. BUT films such as 2:00 all the way up to 2:89 will display black bars regardless of being anamorphic widescreen.. and What I'm discovering these days on HDTV ( NOT DVD) is the Panavision films shot in 2:35 are being 'downgraded' to 1:78 (anamorphic),.. so as pleasing as they are on your eyes..,and senses this anamorphic 'butchering' is going unnoticed by most viewers,(unconcerened by the actual aspect ratio) , as they prefer No black bars... on their Hi-Def sized screens .  | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| | Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Don't watch the black bars, watch what's between them, that's where the movie is.  I've noticed the new 1.78 pan and scan on my HD cable and hate it. Not quite as bad as going to 1.33, but still noticable and annoying to a purist like myself. They seem to just pick and choose with no rhyme or reason too. On the same network I watched Lord of War one night, fine in it's 2.40 ratio, then the next night Casino Royale was trimmed to 1.78.  That would lead me to think "popular" movies were getting re-formatted, but P2 was cropped as well and that's not very popular. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote:
Don't watch the black bars, watch what's between them, that's where the movie is.
... Yay! My thought exactly. Why is whispering watching the black bars rather than the movie image? (if you turn the lights in the room way down low, the letterbox bars just melt into the background...) | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote:
Don't watch the black bars, watch what's between them, that's where the movie is.
I've noticed the new 1.78 pan and scan on my HD cable and hate it. Not quite as bad as going to 1.33, but still noticable and annoying to a purist like myself... I totally agree with that. In never had any problem seeing black bars, but I hate when the movie is cropped (should say butchered...) | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
Anamorphic widescreen videos with aspect ratio of between 1:66 up to 1:95 should fill the 16x9 screen comfortably.. BUT films such as 2:00 all the way up to 2:89 will display black bars regardless of being anamorphic widescreen.. and What I'm discovering these days on HDTV ( NOT DVD) is the Panavision films shot in 2:35 are being 'downgraded' to 1:78 (anamorphic),.. so as pleasing as they are on your eyes..,and senses this anamorphic 'butchering' is going unnoticed by most viewers,(unconcerened by the actual aspect ratio) , as they prefer No black bars... on their Hi-Def sized screens . I have my Sharp HDTV set to Automode for the screen format. If the signal is anamorphic, it automatically adjusts to fit. It isn't uncommon to see it switch back and forth between widescreen mode and full screen 1:33 mode when commercials play. I'll see black bars on top and bottom depending on the WS mode, and on the sides in FS. On TV programs that don't contain formatting info, the TV stretches 1:33 to 1:78 to fill the screen, which has the effect of making everything slightly 'fat' horizontally, but after a couple years of watching, I don't even notice anymore. | | | John
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
I have my Sharp HDTV set to Automode for the screen format. If the signal is anamorphic, it automatically adjusts to fit. It isn't uncommon to see it switch back and forth between widescreen mode and full screen 1:33 mode when commercials play. I'll see black bars on top and bottom depending on the WS mode, and on the sides in FS. On TV programs that don't contain formatting info, the TV stretches 1:33 to 1:78 to fill the screen, which has the effect of making everything slightly 'fat' horizontally, but after a couple years of watching, I don't even notice anymore. well yes that's true as the commercials are from different sources and the sources can either afford to 'customize' their commercials by either having anamorphic widescreen or not.. It is amazing to see the all the types in a three minutes spot...  But by having the HDMI /component in place we know we are at attempting get the best signal possible for playback.. But not all commercials are the same.., . The slightly 'fat' widescreen are not anamorphic in scope but zoomed wide instead,, and the most notorious network I have discovered so far on this side of the border is A&E HDTV . They are either really cheap to their customers and have not invested in the right HD-equipment, or they just can't get the right authorized print for HDTV .. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ask me if I'm dumb, but how would you show any film wider than 1.78:1 on a 16:9 screen WITHOUT black bars?  Sorry, I may have missed the point of the OP. I believe people want the image to be close to the original as possible -- so they don't want Ben Hur sqeezed somehow into the 16:9 format. What's the point in having widescreen DVDs restricted to 16:9? If you are going to do that, what, other than a little bit wider image, have you gotten as an improvement over the old Full Screen 1.33:1 image? | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | There are a lot of (anamorphic) 1.85:1 dvd's on the market, and they fill a 16x9 (1.78:1) without any blackbars.... don't ask me the techinical on this but there are a number of site thru Google that cna be reached for spec's . | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
There are a lot of (anamorphic) 1.85:1 dvd's on the market, and they fill a 16x9 (1.78:1) without any blackbars.... Either 1) the small[1] bars are simply eaten up by the TVs overscan 2) the original 1,85:1 matte is opened to 1,78:1 before mastering 3) the original 1,85:1 is pan&scan-murded to 1,78:1 by cutting the sides. The geometry simply forbids to fill a 16x9 TV with a 1,85:1 picture without any of the steps above. cya, Mithi [1] on a 50" 16x9 TV those bars would only be 0.45" top and 0,45" bottom (too lazy to convert this into those quaint fractions) | | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 171 |
| | Posted: | | | | They have black bars at the movie theater for the ultra-wide movies too... They just cover them up with curtains so you can't see them. So, if you want that theater experience at home, just buy some curtains for your widescreen!!!  |
| | Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think whispering's point is that it might now be better for studios to master at 1.78:1 in anticipation of a home HD release, avoiding the crop/pan choice altogether. Although they don't bother me, they do bother my parents, who suspected something was wrong with the setup of their new HD set when they still had black bars. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ah the old discussion of I don't like the black bars. Being a film purist, no thank YOU, I want OAR, not something created to fill my TV screen.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,380 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
Ask me if I'm dumb, but how would you show any film wider than 1.78:1 on a 16:9 screen WITHOUT black bars?
Sorry, I may have missed the point of the OP. I believe people want the image to be close to the original as possible -- so they don't want Ben Hur sqeezed somehow into the 16:9 format.
What's the point in having widescreen DVDs restricted to 16:9? If you are going to do that, what, other than a little bit wider image, have you gotten as an improvement over the old Full Screen 1.33:1 image? Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
I think whispering's point is that it might now be better for studios to master at 1.78:1 in anticipation of a home HD release, avoiding the crop/pan choice altogether.
Although they don't bother me, they do bother my parents, who suspected something was wrong with the setup of their new HD set when they still had black bars. My point was, as Ken said, that it annoyes me that the studios dont make it to 16:9. I want it to be as close to the original as possible, like any other movie fan. But why isnt the original 16:9? Why would anyone make a movie that essentilly squeezes the screen size. Its irrational. I watched e.g. Gilmore Girls (if i remember right) they shot the serie in 4:3, because it was what people used. At some point they changed to 16:9, because that started to be te norm. Thats common sence. Why everyone doesnt do that is what i'm wondering here? When you watch 1:2.4 ratio on a 16:9 TV you are only using 74% of your TV's screen. If the director would shoot the movie in 16:9, you wouldnt have black bars. Why dont they do that? |
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