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UK consumer service and Play.com
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorwhispering
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Is it legal in UK for Play.com to charge more from EU customers that dont live in UK? I'm talking about the £ to € exchange rate.

E.g. A DVD that costs £10,99

Play.com exchange rate: 14,49€
Real exchange rate: 11,89€

Are there sertain officials (consumer service) that you can ask these questions from in UK?
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Trying to contact them is near impossible, have a look here
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It's possible that they have a fixed exchange rate. I've seen that on several sites before, both UK based & other countries.

It's also possible that they only give the Euro prices as a guide & that you'll be charged in GBP.
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Nope, it says on their site that they charge in euros.

*sigh*

To be honest, the old UK stores that i used to order from so many times are pretty shiitake mushroome these days.

Play.com -> Its not the price that bothers, but they way they add the extra to the price. Its lying in my books.
ChoicesUK.com -> delivery £30 for every order!!! Was it always like that?
Amazon.co.uk -> impossible to find out delivery prices, you have to add your CC details before they even tell the shipping charges. They also dont understand basic geography (Finland is in Northern Europe not western, took me a while to realise that). Anyway, they apparently give my details to a third party that ships my order, if i want DVD's from there. So thats a no-no.

I'm off to browse HMV, if anyone knows any other stores, i'm all ears.
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No, you ARE being charged in Euros when you order from the Continent.

Until some years ago it was possible to just pay in pounds, even when ordering from the Continent, in order to avoid their ridiculous exchange rate. But at some point they locked off that option.

So nowadays when comparing prices of UK retailers when ordering from continental Europe the Play.com exchange rate quite often makes me go elsewhere (e.g. TheHut.com will still let you pay in GBP).

@ whispering: watch out with HMV, there the problem is in their ludicrous shipping fees to continental Europe. TheHut sometimes has good offers (pay in GBP!).
Try find-dvd.co.uk as a basis for price comparisons, but take shipping fees and phenomena as with Play.com into account. Also some shops don't ship outside the UK.
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Is it legal in UK for Play.com to charge more from EU customers that dont live in UK?

Don't know exactly about UK, but in Germany that wouldn't be the slightest problem. A shop can charge whatever they want, or they can decide not to sell to you at all.
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Play.com -> Its not the price that bothers, but they way they add the extra to the price. Its lying in my books.

I don't see where this is lying. I see "12,99€" as the price and I pay 12,99€
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Amazon.co.uk -> impossible to find out delivery prices,

The Amazon-Help works quite well.
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They also dont understand basic geography (Finland is in Northern Europe not western,

Well, as the Helpfile only lists "Western Europe Delivery Rates" and "Eastern Europe Delivery Rates" the choice is yours. 
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Anyway, they apparently give my details to a third party that ships my order, if i want DVD's from there.

They do? Must be a Finland thing, in germany the shipping is handled by Amazon.de
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I'm off to browse HMV, if anyone knows any other stores, i'm all ears.

Well, I have a website where I list some shops I know: "tested shops"
and "untested"
But the site is german, so maybe you need to browse it through Google Translate or something similar.

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I don't see where this is lying. I see "12,99€" as the price and I pay 12,99€


Yes now that i know they list the euro price with a wrong exchange rate. But before i used to always compare prices, and naturally use the pound to do that, since that is usually the "real price".

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Well, as the Helpfile only lists "Western Europe Delivery Rates" and "Eastern Europe Delivery Rates" the choice is yours. 


I know and i choce the wrong one first

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They do? Must be a Finland thing, in germany the shipping is handled by Amazon.de


I'm not actually 100% sure about that, i sent them an email to ask about it. As far as the help page goes, took me over 5 minutes to find what i was looking for, so stopped reading.

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Well, I have a website where I list some shops I know: "tested shops"


Thanks Knew the R2 UK stores already, but will definately check some of the R4 AU stores.
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www.dvd.co.uk  are pretty cheap and they deliver very quickly.
I am using them for some time now, never had any problems so far.

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I order all my dvd's from the UK from Play.com and Amazon.co.uk.

I'm not sure when Play started forcing you to pay in euro's but I think it was about 2 to 3 years ago. And you're right: the conversion rate is a bit ridiculous. Having said that, their prices do include shipping to a foreign country and since they package all their orders seperately (why?) I can live with the bad conversion rate. They're still a lot cheaper than the Netherlands (especially Bluray). Also : out of about 250 shippings 2 have gone wrong so far, and Play sorted them out, no problem at all.

Amazon generally has good prices, but with small orders the delivery costs can make them more expensive than Play, in spite of Play's bad conversion rates!

So I'm quite happy with both. 
Will definitely try some of the other suggested sites though!

Cheers,
Steve
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To date I ordered a LOT from play.com and recently from amazon.co.uk a lot too.

When Play forced non-UK customers to pay in euro, the exchange rate to the pound was stable at around 1:1.5. The extra cost was about 0.50 €. Bearing in mind Play prices are delivery included, I could accept that as international shipping costs are a bit higher, of course.

With the recent plunge of the pound the exchange rate now hovers at 1:1.05 - 1:1.1. Play is slow to follow this plunge, so the surcharge tends to become higher. Amazon.co.uk used to be non-competitive for shippings to the Netherlands, but they are still charging in pounds so, even after shipping cost, they are now often cheaper than Play. And their transport agent works a lot faster.
Shipping costs at amazon.co.uk are detailed on the site, but it is a bit hidden(*). Pricing is on average well below 2 pounds per dvd. In contrast, amazon.de charges 6 € per dvd to non-german speaking nations. (Though amazon.de announced shipping to the Netherlands wil be reduced significantly in the near future).

(*) Go to the bottom of the home web page, click on "delivery rates and policies", then on "International Delivery rates", then choose your location. The Western Europe page starts with a list of countries, Finland is there too. You do not need to provide personal details to see this.
If you are unsure (amazon also has a more expensive express delivery, not very useful), just buy a pre-order dvd and see the total cost in the confirmation email. If it is not to your liking, cancel the order. Amazon charges at shipping (like Play) not at order time, so no harm done. (though you have been wasting some of amazon's resources then, of course). It would require providing your details though.

In all, IMHO play's main fault at present is its slow adjustment to the sinking pound...
Eric

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since they package all their orders seperately (why?)


Because many countries have a limit on single items costs that can be imported before tax is charged. Packing separately to keep each individual price down often avoids the customer paying that tax.

Oh, FWIW every time I wanted to contact Play I've phoned the 0845 number, got straight through and had my problems sorted out within minutes.

Oh, AIUI, companies can charge whatever conversion rate they wany perfectly legally so long as they tell you what it is... I'm pretty sure Play are a lot more open about the rates they use than my credit card company which seems to use something ruinous when I use it abroad!
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since they package all their orders seperately (why?)


Because many countries have a limit on single items costs that can be imported before tax is charged. Packing separately to keep each individual price down often avoids the customer paying that tax.
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Since Play is formally shipping from the Channel islands, they are strictly taken outside the EU tax zone. So seperate shipping helps avoiding extra cost. Amazon.co.uk and .de ship inside the EU, so there is no tax (BTW/VAT/MWSt) risk. A combined package may be too large however to slide conveniently unattended into your mailbox.

Seperate shipping also reduces the risk of inadvertent loss, being only one dvd/BR at the time.
Eric

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Oh, AIUI, companies can charge whatever conversion rate they wany perfectly legally so long as they tell you what it is... I'm pretty sure Play are a lot more open about the rates they use than my credit card company which seems to use something ruinous when I use it abroad!

Ah ok. Here it would be misleading the consumer and thus not allowed.

Quoting eommen:
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*text*


Thanks will have to go back and check the site again. I actually have an old Amazon account, just havent used the site in 2-3 years, so a bit lost.
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Ah ok. Here it would be misleading the consumer and thus not allowed.


Since Play has shipping costs included in the price, and Play only distinguishes between UK and non-UK, any legal challenge would be met with the argument of higher international shipping costs.
Actual prices paid by Play will of course differ from destination to destination and Play averages this out, so it will be quite difficult to prove wrongdoing if ever there is -- and if it would be illegal.
That said, look at all the messages in this thread. If pricing is becoming uncompetitive, just take another (decent) supplier...

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*text*


Thanks will have to go back and check the site again. I actually have an old Amazon account, just havent used the site in 2-3 years, so a bit lost.


I think you summarised my text a bit too much condensed.    BTW, don't forget to update your credit card details, at minimum your expiration date will probably differ now.
Eric

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Between oct. 2006 and may 2007 I was "forced" to pay in Euros at Play. But suddenly it was possible to get back to GBP, as it has been since.  At least to Norway...
But ordering items other than DVD/BDs may lead to difficulties, as they will not ship everything outside UK. 

Shipping each item separately is perfect for me, as Norwegian customs limit is about GBP 18.
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Since Play has shipping costs included in the price, and Play only distinguishes between UK and non-UK, any legal challenge would be met with the argument of higher international shipping costs.
Actual prices paid by Play will of course differ from destination to destination and Play averages this out, so it will be quite difficult to prove wrongdoing if ever there is -- and if it would be illegal.
That said, look at all the messages in this thread. If pricing is becoming uncompetitive, just take another (decent) supplier...


If i go to Play.com it displayes pounds, i then manually change the currency to Euro. At this point play.com should say to me that they have added an additional fee because it ships outside of UK. However they display it as its the same price, and that is illegal here, charging extra is not.

Illegal here means that you contact authorities, that contact the company and says to them you cant do that or you will be fined. Usually at that point the company does what asked and everyone is happy.

But yes as that is an international store i will just change the store. I just reseaved a very helpful reply from Amazon, so guess ill just take my money there...
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