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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,744 |
| Posted: | | | | Hi, As you all know TV show seasons are hybrid profiles, to be seen as an individual profile as well as a box set for its disc profiles. For my question I see two parts in the rules: Quote: The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film. The main examples are: * Sets containing 2 films, one on each side of Dual-Sided DVD. Create individual profiles for each movie in these Box Sets. Quote: Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required. Add these profiles to the box set contents of the parent profile. Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules We often have TV show discs that are double-sided and contain different episodes on each side of the disc. Now the question stands: What to do with them? | | | Karsten DVD Collectors Online
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Registered: May 14, 2007 | Posts: 455 |
| Posted: | | | | Since the system gives you the option to define a single sided or double sided disc then one profile would be how I would handle this. IMHO. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Since each side has a Disc ID, I profile each side separately, making sure to put the Disc ID on the proper side (A or B). | | | Hal |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Since this is a TV Series... it must follow the TV Series rules... not the rules for movie boxsets So I don't feel that what you quoted... Quote: The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film. The main examples are: * Sets containing 2 films, one on each side of Dual-Sided DVD. Create individual profiles for each movie in these Box Sets. The above is in the movie boxset section of the rules. But the TV Series Rules is what must be followed here... Quote: Disc-level Profiles
Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required. Add these profiles to the box set contents of the parent profile. Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules with one exception - Cover Images. If a disc, or set of discs, have their own case, use the cover images from that case. When submitting a change to an existing TV series profile that is currently a box set, do not remove the existing contents.
In either case, the cast and crew are to be entered into the parent profile using appropriate episode dividers. Going by the TV Series rules... and only the TV Series Rules it needs to be 1 profile per disc. First it is purposely called Disc-level Profiles. Also... it says to make individual profiles for each disc. So as long as it says that... it should only be 1 profile per disc. Now... the rules do say where something isn't mentioned in the Boxset Rules or in the TV Series Rules to use the standard rules. But I see no where to give us the idea that suggests to use Boxset Rules for TV Series. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Since each side has a Disc ID, I profile each side separately, making sure to put the Disc ID on the proper side (A or B). I would do it this way as well. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Since each side has a Disc ID, I profile each side separately, making sure to put the Disc ID on the proper side (A or B). I would do it this way as well. Unicus... I know you, like me like to be sure to do it per the rules as the rules are written. So I would really like to know what you think about the rules concerns I brought up in my earlier post. | | | Pete |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | As per the quoted rules, I would have to say "Only one profile per disc as a whole is allowed" even though I'd personally rather do the other (or shoot the guys who decide to make the discs flippers). |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Here's the way I view it.
We do not do profiling based on packaging. That's a long-standing tenet.
If the distributor had "packaged" these as single sided discs, there would be no question about how they would be profiled. The fact that they chose to "package" them as double-sided discs should not change the way they are profiled.
The program provides us with the ability to profile by Disc ID, so that's what I do. | | | Hal |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | No matter if the rules says to profile them individually per disc? I think the word of the rules come before any long-standing tenet. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Unicus... I know you, like me like to be sure to do it per the rules as the rules are written. So I would really like to know what you think about the rules concerns I brought up in my earlier post. While the TV series rules do tell us that "Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted," they also tell us to, "Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules..." Well, standard contribution rules only allow for one film (feature) per disc. Sets containing 2 films (features), one on each side of Dual-Sided DVD, are profiled using the Box Set rules. I made my initial post prior to reading your post and, my explanation above, is how I used to read the rules. After reading your explanation, which does make sense, I have questioned my own opinion. It seems that my opinion, which carried over into TV land, was based on the fact that dual sided DVDs are mentioned in the box set rules. I usually don't mix apples and oranges, but it seems I did in this case. Fortunately, I haven't profiled any dual sided TV series. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Posts: 410 |
| Posted: | | | | I would like to have: "Individual profiles for sides A and B to be allowed" So when iam searching for a episode it will be more easy to find the right disk with the right side |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: No matter if the rules says to profile them individually per disc? I think the word of the rules come before any long-standing tenet. Actually, it says "Individual profile s for each disc....". It does not say " An individual profile for each disc.....". I read that to mean that more than one profile can be created for each disc if appropriate. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I read that to mean there is more then one disc per set... so that is an individual profile per each of the discs. So unless Ken or Gerri states that I am reading it wrong I feel confident that I voted correctly per Rules. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Tough one. I do understand what Pete is saying. As I recall, in fact when movies are concerned, you only create a single profile for a double-sided disc if it is a genuine "flipper" in the sense that it contains one movie which starts on one side and continues on the other. So, taking it back to TV again... applying standard rules, like Pete said, the question becomes: can a situation where there's several episodes from a TV season on both sides of a single disc be considered to be equal to a single movie?
I'd say Yes, because in other areas in DVDP a single TV season is treated on par with a movie as well (e.g. box set rules)
If this is correct, then Pete is right. | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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Registered: May 9, 2008 | Posts: 467 |
| Posted: | | | | Based on the rules and that you can enter IDs for both sides of a DVD in a single profile I agree with Pete in that TV series should be one profile per disc.
That said personally I would have no problem if the rules were updated to allow individual profiles for each sides but until then I think that should be a local thing.
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting tkinnen: Quote: Based on the rules and that you can enter IDs for both sides of a DVD in a single profile I agree with Pete in that TV series should be one profile per disc.
That said personally I would have no problem if the rules were updated to allow individual profiles for each sides but until then I think that should be a local thing.
Tom I wouldn't have any problem if the rules were updated to allow profiles for each side either. (I am fine with 1 profile per disc... but not completely against per side)... I just think it is against the rules as they are written now... Taking all the rules as a whole. | | | Pete |
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