Welcome to the Invelos forums. Please read the forum rules before posting.

Read access to our public forums is open to everyone. To post messages, a free registration is required.

If you have an Invelos account, sign in to post.

    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2  Previous   Next
Sin City: Recut/Extended Question
Author Message
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorPantheon
Registered: March 14, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United Kingdom Posts: 1,819
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
I'm in the process of doing an audit on this title and need advice.

I own the Canadian release which, on the back, states:
Recut & Extended Version Separated into four stories.
Original Theatrical Release.


Now...here's the thing....given that the title is 'Recut - Extended' and that the back of the box lists the recut version first - should the crew/cast reflect the extended cut or the theatrical release?

Personally I'm leaning toward having dividers for each of the 4 segements with their own cast/crew - but I won't submit it if people think it's totally wrong to do so.

All advice welcomed!
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorDJ Doena
Registered: May 1, 2002
Registered: March 14, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Germany Posts: 6,744
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
[x] extended

Maybe with a divider that seperates the normal from the extended cast.

But that depends how much both credit scrolls really differ.
Karsten
DVD Collectors Online

DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorPantheon
Registered: March 14, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United Kingdom Posts: 1,819
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Ok I've just edited my copy (which I then lost due to an error in Profiler!!!  ).

However, here's what I discovered:

The crew lists are practically identical until it gets to the Visual Effects crew; then you have different people working on the last two segements.

It's the cast where the real difference lies - with totally different lists and people appearing in more than one segment.

I'm going to re-edit mine tomorrow (can't be bothered to do it again today!!) and hopefully by then more people will have weighed in on this.
 Last edited: by Pantheon
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorArdos
Registered: July 31, 2008
Reputation: High Rating
United Kingdom Posts: 2,506
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
I would list them from the extended version simply on the basis that for run time we use which ever is the longer cut.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorcvermeylen
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Belgium Posts: 1,946
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageDirect link to this postReply with quote
What I would do is:

Divider 1      - Recut- Extended - Unrated
Divider 2-5  1 divider for each segment.

Divider 6      blank divider to create a space

Divider 7      Original Theatrical Release

Runtime would have to be that of the longest version as stated by Forget_the_rest
View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm

Chris
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
Alien with an attitude
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 13,202
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
I have always felt that the profile should match the release.  In this case, the release is the 'Recut & Extended Version Separated into four stories'.  I would enter the credits based on that version and NOT enter the credits from the other release that is included.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
Profiling since Dec. 2000
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Netherlands Posts: 8,736
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Unicus69:
Quote:
I have always felt that the profile should match the release.  In this case, the release is the 'Recut & Extended Version Separated into four stories'.  I would enter the credits based on that version and NOT enter the credits from the other release that is included.

Agreed.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorPantheon
Registered: March 14, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United Kingdom Posts: 1,819
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
To try and please everyone I have edited the title as follows in both cast and crew:

Recut - Extended
Cast/Crew w/dividers for each segment.

Followed by Theatrical Version cast and crew.

I figure that by doing this everyone will get what they want and can delete what they don't.

The EAN is: 786936692143 for anyone who wants to copy the data to other profiles (assuming it's accepted, of course).

Hope this meets with everyone's approval.
 Last edited: by Pantheon
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorcvermeylen
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Belgium Posts: 1,946
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Pantheon:
Quote:
To try and please everyone I have edited the title as follows in both cast and crew:

Recut - Extended
Cast/Crew w/dividers for each segment.

Followed by Theatrical Version cast and crew.

I figure that by doing this everyone will get what they want and can delete what they don't.

The EAN is: 786936692143 for anyone who wants to copy the data to other profiles (assuming it's accepted, of course).

Hope this meets with everyone's approval.


Nice. And should your contribution get declined, I'm very much interested in getting the XML saved versions of cast and crew. 
View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm

Chris
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorPantheon
Registered: March 14, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United Kingdom Posts: 1,819
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
The contribution was accepted and has been released for anyone who wants to copy the data.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDaddy DVD
Lost in Translation
Registered: March 14, 2007
Netherlands Posts: 2,366
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
My God, what a mess!
Martin Zuidervliet

DVD Profiler Nederlands
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorcvermeylen
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Belgium Posts: 1,946
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Daddy DVD:
Quote:
My God, what a mess!


I see no reason to treat a fellow contributor this way 
View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm

Chris
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorPantheon
Registered: March 14, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United Kingdom Posts: 1,819
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Daddy DVD:
Quote:
My God, what a mess!


I don't know what your problem is?!

The film is titled Recut/Extended and that's how it should be credited. There are no FX dividers in the profile (which I know you have a problem with), simply the way the films are credited onscreen.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
Alien with an attitude
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 13,202
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting cvermeylen:
Quote:
Quoting Daddy DVD:
Quote:
My God, what a mess!


I see no reason to treat a fellow contributor this way 

Agreed.

On a side note, while it looks a mess in the preview window, once it is downloaded it looks fine.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
 Last edited: by TheMadMartian
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDaddy DVD
Lost in Translation
Registered: March 14, 2007
Netherlands Posts: 2,366
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Pantheon:
Quote:
Quoting Daddy DVD:
Quote:
My God, what a mess!


I don't know what your problem is?!

While I appreciate your effort to create extensive cast and crew listings, I don't like to see a mixup of two different cuts in one profile. I think it's better to create two separate profiles, one for each cut by using both Disc IDs.
Martin Zuidervliet

DVD Profiler Nederlands
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
Alien with an attitude
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 13,202
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Daddy DVD:
Quote:
While I appreciate your effort to create extensive cast and crew listings, I don't like to see a mixup of two different cuts in one profile. I think it's better to create two separate profiles, one for each cut by using both Disc IDs.

While I agree with your point, about having the credits for both cuts in the same profile, I don't see why he would create two profiles.  This isn't a 'Box Set'.  It is a single release, similar to many other 'Director's Cuts' or 'Unrated Editions', that include the theatrical release.

As I stated above, the profile should reflect the actual release and only have the cast list for the Recut-Extended version.  Some people didn't agree and Pantheon tried to please both sides.  While I don't agree, I can't fault him for that.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
 Last edited: by TheMadMartian
    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2  Previous   Next