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Oh puhlease, get a grip. By your comment, Tim, most movies would have no Director, they usually are Directed By...it's a small difference, Tim...but

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Yes, but "Directed by" is supported by the rules

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Quoting Dr Pavlov:

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Oh puhlease, get a grip. By your comment, Tim, most movies would have no Director, they usually are Directed By...it's a small difference, Tim...but

Oh puhlease, don't try and be smug for once. Especially since I've checked a number of these titles in your online collection, and what do you know: you generally haven't entered Mr. Heath. And rightly so, of course. But that does render your comment rather pointless. Look, we can't change the fact that Hollywood uses very similar terms for entirely different jobs, we just have to deal with it. In this case, we do enter a "sound recordist", as it's the equivalent of a production sound mixer, and we don't enter a "recordist", as it's only an assisting technician. Since, judging from the data in your online collection, we're on the same page on this, I don't understand the need for this "get a grip" attack... 

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This specific issue is indeed something that I've been fighting for a while now...

I know and I had to be sure before I started to remove the ones I had left in my personal database and so I asked the sound expert the following question:

Quoting Daddy DVD:

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Can you tell me the difference between a Sound Recordist, a Recordist, a Sound Re-Recordist and a Re-Recordist? Is it safe to say that a Sound Recordist does the same job as a Recordist and a Sound Re-Recordist does the same job as a Re-Recordist? According to the rules we are allowed to enter a Sound Recordist as Sound and a Sound Re-recordist as Sound Re-recording Mixer, but I also have added Recordists and Re-recordists under those roles.

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Hi Martin,

there is NO difference between a Recordist and a Sound Recordist. And there is also no difference between a Re-Recordist and a Sound Re-Recordist. To me, the mentioning of the word "Sound" seems to be just for people with very few knowledge in film business terms, to tell them, that the job has to do with Sound at all.

Anyhow, there is a clear difference between a Recordist and a Re-Recordist: The Recordist does first generation recordings with microphones e.g. on the film set or in the dubbing studio. The Re-Recordist is a technician who works in the dubbing theatre where the film's sound premixes and the final mix are made (by the Re-Recoding Mixers).

So in this case the Profiler is quite wrong, because the Sound Re-Recordist is not equal to the Re-Recording Mixer. The first is just a technician (which according to Profiler rules must not be mentioned), the second is a very important artist achieving the film's final sound presentation. Of course it may happen, that the Re-Recording Mixer is misleadingly credited as a Re-Recordist. That seems likely if there is just a Re-Recordist in the credits but no Re-Recording Mixer. But that would be just a rare exception in my opinion.


But as always things are not as clear as that. There is also the possibility of a Sound Recordist in the credits who works in the post-production sound facility as a technician like the above mentioned Re-Recordist, assisting the Re-Recording Mixer or the Sound Editor. That is often so in modern, big international films which have a huge post-production crew.

In opposite to that You may find a Sound Recordist in films of the 40's or 50's or 60's of the last century, mainly mentioned as the only sound guy in the whole credits or just together with one or two other sound crew members. Then it is very likely that he did the recording on the film set, not in the dubbing theatre.


However, there is some confusion with the terms as long as the one who does the sound recording on the film set is called Sound Recordist only in the U.K. The Americans call their Sound Recordists Production Sound Mixers, which is subjective of being a Sound Re-Recordist in the studio. And the confusion continues because now they start to call their Re-Recording Mixers sometimes also Sound Mixers. So it's very hard to find out who is who. The position in the credits is sometimes helpful. The Sound Recordist / Production Sound Mixer (who does the sound recording on the film set) is normally mentioned together with his boom operator and other people who did their job obviously on the film set. The Sound Re-Recordist is normally credited together with the sound editors department in the post-production credits block. Additionally if unsecure, it may be helpful to have a quick look into the IMDB to find out what the guy in question has done so far. If he e.g. has never worked as a Production Sound Mixer before but always as a Re-Recording Mixer it is quite unlikely that he abruptly changed his profession.

Another hint: If - in modern U.S. films - there is an separated early credit in the roll-titles for a Sound Mixer, maybe together with a Supervising Sound Editor or a Sound Designer, it is very likely that they mean the Re-Recording Mixer, not the Production Sound Mixer.

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The (Sound) Re-Recordist must not be mentioned in the DVD-Profiler. Only exception: If there is no Re-Recording Mixer credited. Then have a look in the IMDB to find out whether this Re-Recordist did jobs as a Re-Recording Mixer before. That my be a quite sure hint that there is a wrong expression in the credits.

The (Sound) Recordist should go into the Profiler database only if he is credited
a) as the only mentioned sound personel (in older films) = then as "Sound"
b) together with one or two other crew members who are credited as "Sound" only; in this case he was the Production Sound Mixer who did the recordings on the set and therefore should be entered into the Profiler that way (in my opinion, not according tothe Profiler rules).
c) in films from the U.K.: Here he is definitely the Production Sound Mixer and should be entered into the Profiler that way (in my opinion, not according tothe Profiler rules).

He must not be entered into the profiler database if he is credited inside the post-production block below the Re-Recording Mixers and/or Sound Editors, because then he is just a member of the technical staff.

Isn't it confusing?

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Quoting Daddy DVD:

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I think it's time for a little reminder [...]

Always a good idea...    It's so frustrating that we keep having to fight the same battles over and over again.