It is invalid, PERIOD. There are legal reasons as well as it being one of the most inaccurate sources in existence. A simple reading of the Rules would aanswer this question, we use NO third party data sources, except for a listed exception. And the Rules very clearly state to use the film crediots as DEFINED in the Rules in exactly the way the Acotors and crew are listed and in the same order.

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If I cite www.imdb.com as a source for the actor's and crew, is that accepted or not?

I would say no. Actor and crew information has to come from the DVD itself. If someone is uncredited or you know they are in the film, you have to provide other valid sources for this information.

Such as a time stamp from the film where the (uncredited) person can be seen or they were mentioned in a Commentary of Featurette. Notice i am not mentioning any third party source. In short, use the Disc ALWAYS.

Good point, Grey

Additionally I would urge you to think about this concept a moment, Stephan. IMDb already exists, why does it need to be cloned, with all its various inaccuracies, this is DVDProfiler.

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It is invalid, PERIOD. There are legal reasons as well as it being one of the most inaccurate sources in existence. A simple reading of the Rules would aanswer this question, we use NO third party data sources, except for a listed exception. And the Rules very clearly state to use the film crediots as DEFINED in the Rules in exactly the way the Acotors and crew are listed and in the same order.

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Just to make sure. When I want to enter crew and cast for a movie I have to type'em from the credits of the movie. Which is a lot of work.. but ok.. I just wanted to make sure.

I wrote this message because I created a profile for "Far Cry" (Blu Ray Version) and it was discarded. As of yet there is still none.. So I wanna create a new one. So I have to write all names down as I sit and watch the credits?

The big problem with IMDB is naming and order (aside from the legal issues)

DVD Profiler rules are specific in how to enter cast and crew.  They have to be entered exactly as credited (including role name) in the order they are credited.  IMDB, in many  instances, does not list them this way. This type of contribution, aside coming from IMDB, would not adhere to the rules.

Remember, IMDB is a member contributed database, and is subject to errors, just as DVD Profiler is.  Why would you want to compound error upon error. 

We try, as humanly possible, to be as accurate as we can.  The only way to do that is to take the information from the disc and cover.

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If I cite www.imdb.com as a source for the actor's and crew, is that accepted or not?

If IMDb is the only cited source it will be invalid, if it's one of (many) others it will not.

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If I cite www.imdb.com as a source for the actor's and crew, is that accepted or not?

If IMDb is the only cited source it will be invalid, if it's one of (many) others it will not.

Wrong, Martin. You really like to ignore the Rules don't you.

"Take Crew Credits from the film credits only; list names exactly as they are in the credits."

There is a provision allowing roles to be ummm used from a third party source, that is the only EXCEPTION
"If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use the film itself, or another source to identify the role. However, mass copy from a third party commercial database which violates their stated usage license is not allowed. In each case, list Actor’s names and roles (when given) exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited."

And even at that I would NOT COPY Roles fromm another source, I would look for someone to take the data, if necessary, and modify it, for example 'Skip' would become "Skip", Lt. might become lieut. or Lieutenant..

Stephan the easiest answer is for you to simply read and and follow the Rules. You cannot; repeat CANNOT copy from a third party data source, that includes IMDb.

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And even at that I would NOT COPY Roles fromm another source, I would look for someone to take the data, if necessary, and modify it, for example 'Skip' would become "Skip", Lt. might become lieut. or Lieutenant..

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I would, but not without cross-referencing using at least three sources. That way no one could claim it was mass-copied from any single source.

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I usually have PowerDVD and DVDP next to each other on-screen when I'm typing cast and crew members' names. Admittedly, if you don't have a Blu-Ray and/or HD DVD drive in your PC it will become a more tedious job to profile Hi-Def discs.

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imdb is a good for some things, and as a guide it works pretty well. While it seems they link every name that's close together, they saved me from making a bad name link the other day, and with a bit more research, turned out to be right.

Then I audited a collection of short films, and all the existing info was taken directly from imdb. I had to change over 50% of the cast and crew, some for little things like 2 names where it should be one, and others naming producers and editors that don't exist. It's so inconsistant, because the film I audited before that had a perfect cast list on imdb. It seems the top of the cast lists are usually right, but then it gets bad as you go deeper.

Right, I do the same. I may copy some details from IMDB, But I ALWAYS compare it to the credits from the DVD credits. So I may save some time, but NEVER the accuracy