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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantThatsAllFolks
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I bought some stuff at the Dollar Store that has generic UPCs.  I've created local profiles that just add a digiit to the UPC to distinguish them.  Research has proved pretty unfruitful in unique UPCs.

Can I submit them that way?

Is there another way to do this?
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorlyonsden5
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No, you can't submit fake or altered UPCs.

You can submit them by using the (hopefully) unique Disk ID. Pop the DVD into your computer while DVDP is running and you should be able to get the Disc ID
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributordee1959jay
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To explain a bit further: following lyonsden5's instructions, you then in DVDP go to DVD / Change UPC, and tick the "Use Disc ID from inserted disc" box. After that you should be able to submit your profile.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantFireball23
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I just had a very similar problem ... I bought a double feature (Maximum Overdrive / Raw Deal) from Walmart for $5.  One UPC, One Disc, but 2 totally different movies on the same physical disc!

Any suggestions?
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That is very common... and not the same situation as here.

If both movies are on the same side of a single sided disc then you just make the profile with dividers in the cast and crew. Running time would be the 2 movies combined... year would be the theatrical release date of the earliest release.

If there is one movie on each side of the disc it is considered a boxset for our purposes... and the parent profile will be mostly blank and each side would have it's own profile through disc ID.

Check the Rules on what is allowed for each profile.
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Thanks!  (I'm new to posting and DVD Profiler).  I really appreciate the help and link to the rules.  I contributed changes once, and didn't know about the rules.  Now I can make sure I do it right from now on.
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another way to go,, ( this is what I would do),., if you bought a real cheapie dvd with two movies on it and the upc is no good.., Use the the Disc ID for each movie., BUT use a  downloadable UPC for each title in question., THIS way if any of the movies have an updated profiler in the near future  (i.e. cast /crew) you'll get the updates, Keep the disc ID for each title so when the disc is popped into your dvd rom , Profiler (your PC) will find it fast and easy . Scan and submit/keep your new images and upload disc ID back to Invelos for a contribution,(before UPC change).,  It's probably not in the database so it will be readily accepted the same day.
If you keep these discs on file with the 'submitted disc ID' it is extremely unlikely it'll get picked up for any updates ,,(don't know what the titles are from the dollar store, but older Original  titles would most readily be found with the most popular titles (DVD) of its sort -in the Invelos data bank) so change the titles back to any of the original UPC of the most popular titles in the data base, but keep disc ID for your dvd rom.
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I just had a very similar problem ... I bought a double feature (Maximum Overdrive / Raw Deal) from Walmart for $5.  One UPC, One Disc, but 2 totally different movies on the same physical disc!


In this case, rules state it is a boxset, and the consequence is that the profile cannot be contributed by the program (problem with unique UPC/disc ID) . You have to keep it local with a manual disc ID for the second movie.

Rule : "The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film."
A change to this rule has been asked in the rules committee forum, but at this time, Ken has changed nothing to the existing rules. Waiting for his decision, a no vote would be required on a contribution with dividers.

Another change to the rules, allowing amending them with documented data in case of errors or problem (which is the case here), has been rejected by most of forum users : so rules must be followed strictly in all cases.
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Only for people such as yourself Yves, that don't see any other ways. In point of fact a Single Sided disc is not even referred to at all in the Rules. As such i would see the use of dividers as acceptable and the only way to handle such a set at this point in time and since it is not addressed in the Rules in any form, any No vote would be not only against the Rules but contrary to getting such data available. Is there a way to handle this other than dividers, NO absolutely not> How you create your answer is more than i can follow, you are now creating Rules that do not exist. There is positively no way to handle a Single Sided multi-feature disc as a Boxset, that is why it is not included in the specific descriptions.

There are only two possible ways to approach sucha title. A blank parent with manual film children, this means the data is NOT CONTRIBUTABLE for the films, that does no one any good. Or simply use dividers to seaparate the two or more feature films just as we do Episode data for Television, then the data is there for ALL, it is one of those gray areas we knew about years ago and was why it was specifically left outof the boxset description. And don't forget, Yves, that several years back we not only did NOT have anyway to appropriately deal with such titles, we did NOT even have dividers...so they were literally no man's land...with no good answer. The addition of dividers sol;ved that part of the problem so that now we can at least provide some semblance of useable data, it's not perfect, god gelp us if there are differences between the multi-features which extend beyond Cast and Crew, such as Video data, Audio and so forth but...nothing is perfect.

Once again Yves, you aren't thinking beyond the end of your own nose, amigo and you show no understanding of the use of dividers. AND FYI one of the earliest Single sided Multi-Feature Films was Village of the damned / Children of the Damned and it has used dividers for YEARS, as it should.

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Quoting Woola:
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There is positively no way to handle a Single Sided multi-feature disc as a Boxset, that is why it is not included in the specific descriptions.


It is very easy to do. Just you have to keep it local as many other features of the program : headshots, gallery photos, custom genres... If Ken has not yet accepted the proposed change to the rules, that perhaps means he doesn't want to see single-sided multimovies discs in the database. Who knows ?

Following your reasoning, can you provide a list of the rules that may be violated? In this case, the rule is clear: "The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film."
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It also gives specific definitions to further explain the Boxset, surfeur and the Single-Sided Multi-Feature was intentionally left out because it was understood that there was no fix for it until we got Dividers.

No you se, surfeur unfortunately yourself was not a partcipant like many others, so you have no basis for authoritative speech,, you can voice your opinion but it is nothing more than that. there are any number of singe-sided Multi feature disc available using dividers, as this is not only appropriate it was also the priime purpose for the use of dividers.

You have your opinion and you are entitled to it even when you are, as in this case, both misguided and incorrect. Now, surfeur don't think that your purpose and your agenda is not understood, it most certainly is, it is the same game you have played for years. You don't like the Rules, you have made that plain and like some others you will throw mud in the water at every opportunity and then whine about your agenda. You want Rules, YOU RULES, you want one page for everyone, YOUR page, except your page is not one page, it is one page for every user which takes us back to where we used to be and the Online database was an utter MESS, and the only reality was whatever was real to a given user. Data in a DATAbase, consistent data, oh horrors, and we all know that surfeur is the last word on names and typos....NOT.  You have for many years, my friend, absolutely refused to understand the difference between hard data and the data which exists only in your mind. WE all know that you have made an endless number of films yourself so that YOU possess the unique ability to determine what is a Real Cast or crew Credit and what is not. But unfortunately all of your data resides inside of your head, it does not appear ON SCREEN or the back cover in the form of an overview or wherever. Sha ll I kiss thy ring, master.

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Quoting Woola:
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It also gives specific definitions to further explain the Boxset,


More precisely, it gives "main examples". Can a list of main examples be used to argue that something which is not in the list has been voluntary left out ?
That is why I proposed a non ambiguous change to the rule. The problem is that Ken has not yet accepted it.
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surfeur is correct, the wording is limiting.  Fortunately, the vast majority of users seems to understand that the program has certain limitations, that we have to work around, and a single profile, with cast split by dividers, is better than no profile at all...which is what he is suggesting for the on-line db.
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... Fortunately, the vast majority of users seems to understand that the program has certain limitations, that we have to work around, and a single profile, with cast split by dividers, is better than no profile at all...

The program has no limitation : You can treat the problem as a boxset and keep it local, or treat it with dividers and contribute the profile. The limitation comes from the rule that do not allow the second solution. I asked for a change to the rule, but Ken has not even given his opinion, though this problem has been discussed in at least three specific threads. The question is  : does really Ken want what "the vast majority of users seems to understand" ?
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That is your assessment and welcome to it, surfeur. But the reality is that one of the prime reasons for the creation of dividers was precisely for thses kind of titles AND further there are NUMEROUS such titles Online with their proper dividers installed. You are entitled to create whatever interpretationyou wish, but you are not the end all be all of Profiler, never have, never will be. So, while i appreciate your opinion, your agenda is not appreciated and the FACTS of the matter also say you are wrong....again. And once again surfeur youmake the bold statement "the vast majority of users seems to understand", exactly who is this majority of users you believe you speak for....French,...ROFL. You do not speak for any kind of majority surfeur, sorry, pal. More often than not you come up speaking only for yourself.

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Quoting surfeur51:
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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... Fortunately, the vast majority of users seems to understand that the program has certain limitations, that we have to work around, and a single profile, with cast split by dividers, is better than no profile at all...

The program has no limitation : You can treat the problem as a boxset and keep it local, or treat it with dividers and contribute the profile. The limitation comes from the rule that do not allow the second solution. I asked for a change to the rule, but Ken has not even given his opinion, though this problem has been discussed in at least three specific threads. The question is  : does really Ken want what "the vast majority of users seems to understand" ?

On this we will have to disagree, the rules make no mention of the second solution nor do they mention this type of set.  While the wording is unfortunate, there was a reason it was left out...because the program can't handle it.  As to what Ken wants, I don't know, but I can't imagine he would want an empty profile.  I could be wrong, but I doubt it. 
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