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Lord of the rings gift Set
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDarknite
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I am trying to find out about the Lord of the Rings Gift Set.
Are These Box Sets and if they are why do they have all info.

These don't seem to be a Box set.
It's only one film and only one version.

Each set does contain a seperate feature that should only just be a bonus feature/film
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They are not Box Sets, but it has been common practice to add the profile for the included feature as a child profile.
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So there is a gift set profile with all info and then we double that with a second profile of the same.
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I'd say they are box sets with the EE and the bonus disc as contents. That is, after all, what they physcially are.
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So its common practice to double up on profiles, or to make box sets out of one single version.

Neither of these follow the rules. How do we create a data base or at least profiles if we don't know the rules, or the made up common practices.

we should have a section right after the rules called common practices and other things you may not know because there not in the rules.
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I never said that they followed the rules, just that it was common practice.  I don't see the problem.  Adding the child profile, of the feature that is included, accurately represents the set.  In addition, those people that don't want the child profile can easily remove it. 
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the problem here is that all the info is listed for the Parent proflie and then we duplicate it with another profile of the same info. Now others think this is a box set, which it is not.

Gift Set (Parent) - All film info (Cast, Crew, etc.)
Feature film (Child) - All film Info (Cast, Crew, etc.)
Gollum (Child) - Seperate bonus film.

So what is the point of this.
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As I said, the point is to accurately represent the set and its contents.  The other profile already exists so, again, I don't see the problem.
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As I said, the point is to accurately represent the set and its contents.  The other profile already exists so, again, I don't see the problem.


I think it's not after the rules as for a box set the Parant isn't allowed to habve the full film info.

But I have also no problem with this. I would like to have it allowed, because there are some gift set, that have a "normal" Version of the movie inside (with own UPC), so you would get the benefit of the updates of the often more common normal versions.
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As I said, the point is to accurately represent the set and its contents.  The other profile already exists so, again, I don't see the problem.


I think it's not after the rules as for a box set the Parant isn't allowed to habve the full film info.

But I have also no problem with this. I would like to have it allowed, because there are some gift set, that have a "normal" Version of the movie inside (with own UPC), so you would get the benefit of the updates of the often more common normal versions.


Actually the Lord of the Rings gift sets do have the "Common normal versions" as do most gift sets (that I have seen).  What made the Lord of the Rings gift sets different than most gift sets instead of just having the movie with sawg, these gift sets also included another DVD.  So some users wanted to treat it like a box set, others just wanted the Gift Set profile with all the cast and crew in that one profile. 

It's been a while since this topic came up but, I think the result is what we have today where the Gift Set profile has the cast and crew of the feature film and the profiles of the Movie and the other DVD are added as children.  Since that was what was inside the Gift Set.  At that time we didn't have automatic downloading of the children and so anyone that wanted to add these to the gift set had to do it manually.  If they didn't want the children then they didn't download them.

Like Martin I don't really see an issue with this, if some doesn't want the child profiles don't download them or just remove them if you already have downloaded them.  Personally when I purchased the gift sets I didn't use the Gift Set profile, I used the child profiles in my local database since I didn't want to profile the swag locally.

Also, these sets were released before the bonus feature film rule so that didn't even come up in the original discussions.
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Actually Tracer I feel you are wrong about the Common Version being included. This Gift set has only the Extended Version only. The Extended release was originally released as a Gift set.
So according to what you are saying its ok to double up on profiles. So for example The Dark Knight Bluray with the batpod can have a child profile just buy adding the stand alone version to it since it comes with. And I guess all profiles that are a special gift set we just add child profiles of the stand alone version. 
Seems like a waste, to have extra.
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Actually Tracer I feel you are wrong about the Common Version being included. This Gift set has only the Extended Version only. The Extended release was originally released as a Gift set.
So according to what you are saying its ok to double up on profiles. So for example The Dark Knight Bluray with the batpod can have a child profile just buy adding the stand alone version to it since it comes with. And I guess all profiles that are a special gift set we just add child profiles of the stand alone version. 
Seems like a waste, to have extra.

Actually, the extended version were also released as stand alone versions.

The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring
The Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers
The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King

For the Gift Sets, all they did was put the above releases inside the box with the swag and extra DVD.  Unlike the Dark Knight set you mention, they are the exact same discs, inside the exact same box, released on the exact same day.
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Thanks for explanation Tracer.
I was just going on the actual rules. So if there wasn't the bonus film rule as the profiles were created we had of course another base.

And I still think it would be good to allow in such or similar cases to add the child to the box set. Because of showing what it actually is and because of the benefit of updates of the (in most cases) more common version.
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My mistake, I guess the dark knight was a bad example.  So Blue harvest: SE with T-shirt, or other single films with gift gets double profiles.
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As mad listed and the following seem to be available.
The Lord of the Rings - The Motion Picture Trilogy (Platinum Series Special Extended Edition) (2003)
12 discs

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical and Extended Limited Edition) (2003)
6 discs

I have each of the three movies what was called Collector's DVD Gift Set that included Special Extended DVD Edition, 5 discs per each movie and swag. Thr movie on 2 discs, 3 bonus discs.
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Maybe I missed something, but why is it common pratice to double a profile

Parent profile
Child profile
both the same profile.
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