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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Should we include uncredited entries from archived footage
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JFK seen on TV screen in a movie set in the early 60's produced in 2010 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | JFK and a raft of other names are already in place in archival footage to name a couple - Forrest Gump / JFK ..
I believe archival footage with people and names have take precedence well over Uncredited already in place in film credit rolls.. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
JFK seen on TV screen in a movie set in the early 60's produced in 2010 This is a prop piece, not an actor appearing in the film. There are cases where it's less clear though, when the footage has actually been edited into the movie, such as Forrest Gump. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would guess that this might well be the reason the prohibition was lifted. The question then becomes how do you distinguish between just an archive clip and and something more elaborate. Is there a way to make such a determination or is it the user that makes the judgment. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Personally, I'm against this in any form, even archival footage that's been manipulated to propel story. The bottom line is that when the original footage was shot, it was not with the particular feature in mind. Even undocumented cast are consciously being filmed for the feature they are appearing in. Archival footage is simply archival footage. These people aren't cast members, they are historical images. |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Personally, I'm against this in any form, even archival footage that's been manipulated to propel story. The bottom line is that when the original footage was shot, it was not with the particular feature in mind. Even undocumented cast are consciously being filmed for the feature they are appearing in. Archival footage is simply archival footage. These people aren't cast members, they are historical images. Couldn't have said it better myself. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I can see BOTH sides to this.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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Personally, I'm against this in any form, even archival footage that's been manipulated to propel story. The bottom line is that when the original footage was shot, it was not with the particular feature in mind. Even undocumented cast are consciously being filmed for the feature they are appearing in. Archival footage is simply archival footage. These people aren't cast members, they are historical images.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Agree. Well said. +2 | | | ...James
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Personally, I'm against this in any form, even archival footage that's been manipulated to propel story. The bottom line is that when the original footage was shot, it was not with the particular feature in mind. Even undocumented cast are consciously being filmed for the feature they are appearing in. Archival footage is simply archival footage. These people aren't cast members, they are historical images. Agreed. And this has been the official stance for a long time. Not sure why we are re-visiting this?  | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | I never add uncredited archive entries. I can only echo what mdnitoil so eloquently stated above. | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting mdnitoil:
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Personally, I'm against this in any form, even archival footage that's been manipulated to propel story. The bottom line is that when the original footage was shot, it was not with the particular feature in mind. Even undocumented cast are consciously being filmed for the feature they are appearing in. Archival footage is simply archival footage. These people aren't cast members, they are historical images.
Agreed. And this has been the official stance for a long time. Not sure why we are re-visiting this? At one time I thought there was something in the rules about it, But reviewing a contribution brought it forward, and was unable to find tat rule. My idea was to make sure that it was still the feeling to leave these out, and maybe get Ken to add it (back in?) to the rules for everybody to see. Charlie. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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Personally, I'm against this in any form, even archival footage that's been manipulated to propel story. The bottom line is that when the original footage was shot, it was not with the particular feature in mind. Even undocumented cast are consciously being filmed for the feature they are appearing in. Archival footage is simply archival footage. These people aren't cast members, they are historical images.
Agreed. And this has been the official stance for a long time. Not sure why we are re-visiting this? Because the prohibition has been removed from the Rules, Hal. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Because the prohibition has been removed from the Rules, Hal. Mistake!  | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I won't say I disagree. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Personally, I'm against this in any form, even archival footage that's been manipulated to propel story. The bottom line is that when the original footage was shot, it was not with the particular feature in mind. Even undocumented cast are consciously being filmed for the feature they are appearing in. Archival footage is simply archival footage. These people aren't cast members, they are historical images. So you wouldn't credit Bela Lugosi in Plan 9 from Outer Space, Marlon Brando in Superman Returns or Laurence Olivier in Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow? |
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| Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
So you wouldn't credit Bela Lugosi in Plan 9 from Outer Space, Marlon Brando in Superman Returns or Laurence Olivier in Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow? If they're actually in the credits, as I know is the case with Olivier in Sky Captain, they need to be included. Likewise, there's an episode of Tales from the Crypt with Humphrey Bogart as the "lead actor" (directed by, surprise surprise, Robert Zemeckis). |
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