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| Registered: May 11, 2007 |  Posts: 249 |
| | Posted: | | | | Simple question really: how do we parse Sion Tudor Owen?
I'm leaning towards Sion/Tudor Owen as Tudor (to my knowledge) in is a last name, not a first name. Also searching the Internet I found he is apparently sometimes credited as Sion Tudor-Owen.
However I'd like to be a bit more sure before I start contributing profiles. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Simple unless you can provide documentation | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: May 11, 2007 | | Posts: 249 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Simple unless you can provide documentation I agree, however my problem is that at the moment there are profiles in the database with both options. I just got the Highlander blu-ray and there the actor is credited as Sion/Tudor/Owen (and in the Dutch profile for A Touch of Frost, series 1) whereas in the DVD profile for Highlander he is credited as Sion/Tudor Owen. |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Simple unless you can provide documentation Parsing, unfortunately, is never ever "simple", largely because there are no rules, meaning that basically "anything goes"...  |
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| | Posted: | | | | If you can verify the Sean Tudor-Owen credits, that should be enough. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
If you can verify the Sean Tudor-Owen credits, that should be enough. It should, but sometimes credits get it wrong, like Charles Nelson Reilly credited as Charles Nelson-Reilly in Rock-A-Doodle. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, now, that is unfortunate.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: May 11, 2007 | | Posts: 249 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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If you can verify the Sean Tudor-Owen credits, that should be enough.
It should, but sometimes credits get it wrong, like Charles Nelson Reilly credited as Charles Nelson-Reilly in Rock-A-Doodle. Indeed. Also I'm not sure how accurate the profiles are where he is credited as Tudor-Owen. So I suppose we treat Tudor as a middle name, unless we can prove that it is not... |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting apltm: Quote:
Quoting CalebAndCo:
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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If you can verify the Sean Tudor-Owen credits, that should be enough.
It should, but sometimes credits get it wrong, like Charles Nelson Reilly credited as Charles Nelson-Reilly in Rock-A-Doodle.
Indeed. Also I'm not sure how accurate the profiles are where he is credited as Tudor-Owen.
So I suppose we treat Tudor as a middle name, unless we can prove that it is not... There is no default rule on parsing. Both variants are equally valid without further documentation. The CLT does ignore parsing and so does the update mechanism of your local database since the latest update. If you have S/T/O (and no S//TO) locally in your database and you add a profile with S//TO, it gets magically changed and linked to S/T/O. At least that is what Ken has promised to us, I haven't checked it yet. |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
At least that is what Ken has promised to us, I haven't checked it yet. Yes, your local value is always protected. However, if you subsequently try to make another cast addition or correction to the same profile, and the parsing in your local database differs from the online, the contribution system still detects the difference, and includes the changed parsing in your contribution, likely attracting no-votes, or else an endless back-and-forth between both variants. It's nice that the acceptance system ignores the difference, but what we'd really need is to have the contribution system ignore parsing. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | The voters just need to learn that, for the reasons RHo mentioned, parsing no longer matters. They have already learned this for capitalization. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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At least that is what Ken has promised to us, I haven't checked it yet.
Yes, your local value is always protected. However, if you subsequently try to make another cast addition or correction to the same profile, and the parsing in your local database differs from the online, the contribution system still detects the difference, and includes the changed parsing in your contribution, likely attracting no-votes, or else an endless back-and-forth between both variants. It's nice that the acceptance system ignores the difference, but what we'd really need is to have the contribution system ignore parsing. I agree! And I still would prefer a single name field and dump the possibility to sort by last name. |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
The voters just need to learn that, for the reasons RHo mentioned, parsing no longer matters. They have already learned this for capitalization. From (extensive) personal experience, I can assure you that they haven't "already learned this for capitalization", and they won't for parsing either. Again: if Ken wants to take parsing out of the equasion, then he needs to address it at the contribution level. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | <sigh> | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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