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Why do we have contribution notes and contribution votes? |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | So, when a contribution gets approved when there are legitimate and documented reasons for "No" votes, and all "Yes" votes have no comment (meaning we don't know if the voters paid attention to anything or not), I have to ask myself why we should bother having contribution notes and votes at all. Does anyone at Invelos really care about the correctness of the online database? I doubt it.
Thank you. Rant over. That is all.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 20,111 |
| Posted: | | | | Contributions can be approved (and do) even when there is an obvious error in the contribution.
Ken/Gerri have stated as much somewhere here in the forum more than once. It's up to the screener to decide whether or not the added good information in the contribution outweighs the bad, and whether it gets declined or approved. | | | Corey |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Kat is correct. When I am the sole, or one of only a few 'nos' among many yes votes, I make a note of the profile and error so that I can come back and fix it. The ones that really bother me, however, are the ones where the only change is wrong, the votes are 20-1 in favor of the change. In those cases, there is not question...at least in my mind...that the cons outweigh the pros, but, such is life I guess. This is supposed to be fun so I am trying, real hard, not to stress about it anymore. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: This is supposed to be fun so I am trying, real hard, not to stress about it anymore. I'm right there with ya. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Blair | Resistance is Futile! |
Registered: October 30, 2008 | Posts: 1,249 |
| Posted: | | | | The screeners can't check every DVD themselves for correctness. Even if they downloaded every one in the database, there is still material (like credits) that you can only get (properly) directly from inside the movie).
Votes help to at least cut down time for the screeners so that they don't go mad and dream about DVD's and green and red arrows all night! In the end, though, they still have the final judgment call.
It isn't a perfect system or even a correct system all of the time, but what system is? | | | If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you.
He who MUST get the last word in on a pointless, endless argument doesn't win. It makes him the bigger jerk. |
| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Kat is correct. When I am the sole, or one of only a few 'nos' among many yes votes, I make a note of the profile and error so that I can come back and fix it. Instead, I'll just lock my profiles and move on. I'm not going to fight the screeners. Quote: This is supposed to be fun so I am trying, real hard, not to stress about it anymore. Tracking my DVDs is fun. The contribution/voting process is not. I guess I'll join the ever growing contingent that just minds his/her own db and leaves the online for others to worry about. (Not that I'm a heavy contributor or voter anyway...) --------------- | | | Last edited: by scotthm |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | For the record, let me quote the post from Ken Katatonia referred to: Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: The Invelos evaluators' standing policy is to accept profiles that add significant value. They do not have to be complete, nor even completely accurate. If you're submitting 50 painstakingly correct cast entries but get the production year wrong, the profile should be accepted and corrected later.
"No" votes are equally valid in this case, however. They allow the contributor a chance to correct their submission if they choose, and save someone the effort of the correction later on.
I've sent out a notes reiterating this policy to the evaluators. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | In this case the contributions added complete cast and crew to the (thus far empty) profiles of movies in a box set.
There was a single point of disagreement in a few of the movies, and I agree that the fact that the screeners allowed the contributions does not decide on that issue. See next post. | | | Hans | | | Last edited: by Staid S Barr |
| Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | Point of disagreement was to decide between DoP and Cinematographer, where the actual credit was different and thus there would have been interpretation either way.
The credit has Photographed By.
On the one hand, that may be similar to A Movie By, which in the absence of other director credits is (at least by some contibutors) interpreted as Directed By or Director. Thus Photographed By becomes Director of Photography, which at least has the same word in it.
On the other hand, Photographed By may mean the person carrying the camera, which would make him/her the Cinematographer.
I could not decide, and let it stand. If someone wants to change the profiles, I am fine with that. | | | Hans | | | Last edited: by Staid S Barr |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote: Point of disagreement was to decide between DoP and Cinematographer, where the actual credit was different and thus there would have been interpretation either way. That's all? A disagreement over whether "Photographed by" results in "Cinematographer" or "Director of Photography"? And that turned into this " Does anyone at Invelos really care about the correctness of the online database?" complaint? |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote: Thus Photographed By becomes Director of Photography, which at least has the same word in it. No it doesn't! According to the crew-chart of the rules "Photographed By" is to be transcribed to "Cinematographer". Not much room for interpretation here. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
| Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | Next time, I'll read the rules. | | | Hans |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote: Next time, I'll read the rules. When you do receive "No" votes in your contributions you may wish to give them some consideration, as the people voting are likely trying to help you to make a better contribution, and not just block you from contributing. And your comments here are misleading, as you not only applied the credit of DoP for a "Photographed by" credit, but you also applied a Make-up Effects credit to a crew member credited as "Makeup by". Since you obviously were aware of the "No" votes and chose to do nothing about them when you had the chance, it seems a bit odd to me that you've come into this thread to downplay your errors when I hadn't mentioned you at all. These may be minor errors, but when you were notified you did nothing. The screeners were notified and did nothing. Please tell me again just why I should continue to vote on contributions. --------------- | | | Last edited: by scotthm |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | I try and catch all the "no" votes but sometimes I miss them since I've done hundreds, if not thousands, of changes recently.
But, if someone else makes an error, and doesn't follow through, I make a note of it and change my local database with the correct data.
Then, if the contribution gets accepted I just submit the correct information. In the long run the correct data gets into the database.
I vote and contribute so that I can get or add the correct data as needed. It only takes a few moments and if changes need to be made later, that only takes a minute or two also. |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: These may be minor errors, but when you were notified you did nothing. Many contributors, especially new contributors, do not monitor their submissions. Some because they are not interested, many because they simply don't know that they can do this. That's why I'd like to see an E-Mail notification when a "No" comes in for a contribution. I'm not sure if Hans belongs to any of these two groups, or if he simply chose to ignore the "No"-votes. The important thing is that if you want to make sure a "No" gets noticed, you better send a PM first. If there's no reaction you still have time to vote "No". | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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