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Registered: May 11, 2007 | Posts: 249 |
| Posted: | | | | At the moment there are several profiles for the Beatles film Yellow Submarine in the database, some with the band name included in the title and others without. Which is correct? |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | It would depend on the cover art, which might be different for different editions. Or did you mean for original title? |
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Registered: May 11, 2007 | Posts: 249 |
| Posted: | | | | On the cover art it says:
The Beatles Yellow Submarine
With the name of the band in slightly bigger letters. |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | I'd opt for "Yellow Submarine" only. At least as long as we don't use "Russell Crowe: Gladiator" as title. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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Registered: May 11, 2007 | Posts: 249 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote: I'd opt for "Yellow Submarine" only. At least as long as we don't use "Russell Crowe: Gladiator" as title. Slightly different I think as Russel Crowe is an actor and The Beatles were a music group. |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | This sort of thing is akin to an album. I'd say "The Beatles" is part of the title unless we want to turn Metallica: Some Kind of Monster into just Some Kind of Monster and so on. |
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Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,665 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting apltm: Quote: Quoting Lewis_Prothero:
Quote: I'd opt for "Yellow Submarine" only. At least as long as we don't use "Russell Crowe: Gladiator" as title. Slightly different I think as Russel Crowe is an actor and The Beatles were a music group. Concur with Lewis and the Gladiator analogy. Yellow Submarine is a film and The Beatles are starring it as actors (or "actors" if you are a critic). The fact that they are also a musical group only explains how they got there, not what they are doing there. | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: This sort of thing is akin to an album. I'd say "The Beatles" is part of the title unless we want to turn Metallica: Some Kind of Monster into just Some Kind of Monster and so on. I don't think so. Some Kind of Monster is a documentary about the band. Yellow Submarine is an acutal animated film that, with the exception of the recorded music used, doesn't even star the Beatles...though they do have a cameo at the end. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Isn't this effectively a possessive? What does the credit block say? |
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Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: Isn't this effectively a possessive? What does the credit block say? Standard DVD - The Beatles' Yellow Submarine BlueRay - no mention of the title, just The Beatles at the top. |
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Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,621 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
Quote: This sort of thing is akin to an album. I'd say "The Beatles" is part of the title unless we want to turn Metallica: Some Kind of Monster into just Some Kind of Monster and so on. I don't think so. Some Kind of Monster is a documentary about the band. Yellow Submarine is an acutal animated film that, with the exception of the recorded music used, doesn't even star the Beatles...though they do have a cameo at the end. But it is based on their acid trips! Maybe go to the credit block on the back cover. If that says "The Beatles: Yellow Submarine" then that should be the title with the possessive rule. If it The Beatles in "Yellow Submarine", then just Y.S. would be the title. For example, a couple Stephen King films, both of which he was involved in (writing and cameo acting). Pet Sematary has his name huge on the front, about twice the size of the title, but not in the credit block, so it's title is Pet Sematary. Sleepwalkers has his name is much smaller letters on front, about half the size of the title. But in the credit block it reads "Stephen King's Sleepwalkers", so that is the title. It's about the possessive more than the front cover in these cases, at least that's what I was told by voters dealing with all the Stephen King and John Carpenter films I own. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Looking at the covers at amazon... The Beatles is not in possessive form on the cover... it don't say...
The Beatles' Yellow Submarine
it just says... The Beatles Yellow Submarine
No different then any title that has an actor's name above a title (whether bigger or smaller then title). So going by that... the possessive rule has nothing to do with this title. So between going by what I see on the front cover and what I read in the rules... looks to me the correct title would just be Yellow Submarine. | | | Pete |
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Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: Looking at the covers at amazon... The Beatles is not in possessive form on the cover... it don't say...
The Beatles' Yellow Submarine
it just says... The Beatles Yellow Submarine
No different then any title that has an actor's name above a title (whether bigger or smaller then title). So going by that... the possessive rule has nothing to do with this title. So between going by what I see on the front cover and what I read in the rules... looks to me the correct title would just be Yellow Submarine. Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: Isn't this effectively a possessive? What does the credit block say? Standard DVD - The Beatles' Yellow Submarine BlueRay - no mention of the title, just The Beatles at the top. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: Isn't this effectively a possessive? What does the credit block say? I don't think it is as the cover does not read "The Beatles' Yellow Submarine". If there is no possesive on the cover, then the possesive rule does not apply. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote: Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
Quote: Isn't this effectively a possessive? What does the credit block say?
Standard DVD - The Beatles' Yellow Submarine
BlueRay - no mention of the title, just The Beatles at the top. It doesn't matter what the credit block says as there is no possesive on the cover. Pete is correct, we treat this exactly as we would any other title with a name on the front cover...we ignore it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | The front cover is what we have to go by per the title rules. The only time we are to go to the credit block (per the rules) is when there is a possessive on the front cover. Since there is no possessive on the front cover that rule don't apply. | | | Pete |
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