I'm just adding a profile for the 1941 movie King of the Zombies.
Here's a partial listing of the opening credits (these are on the same screen):

Settings by Dave Milton
Sound Directors William Fox, Glen Rominger
Art Director Charles Clague

Now, art director is no problem, but I included it for context. As you can see, there is "Settings by" and it comes before art director, so it probably equals production designer. But should Milton get a credit in Profiler? My guess is No, but I'd like to hear what others say.

Then there are the sound directors. There is no other sound credit, so "Sound" or nothing?

Quoting Lewis_Prothero:

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Sound Director gets no entry in DVDProfiler

Going strictly by the rules you are right - sound director is not listed in the rules.

However... it is my understanding that the credits that we enter in Profiler are credits that are eligible for an Academy Award. In many early films Sound Director or Recording Director is the only sound credit, and if such a film won an Academy Award, it would go to the SD/RD. Thus it would make sense to include them.

I would say no to Settings by, but yes to Sound Directors, as that's the same as Sound Supervisors, IMO.

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If I can say my 2 cents, it feels to me like we shun the history of film making by ignoring profession titles from the old days.

I mean, look at any movie which is really old and compare it to a modern one. Many terms have changed.
It should be possible to translate them into modern crew member titles.

It's even more difficult at least for me if I'd watch a really old Swedish movie and figure out the corresponding modern term in English. Yet still, it should be of interest, no?
Otherwise maybe one would leave most fields blank, only having for example director and producer.
I bet there is a database somewhere where you could find out what the names mean in the credits. At least for English language movies.

Quoting GSyren:

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I'm just adding a profile for the 1941 movie King of the Zombies.
Here's a partial listing of the opening credits (these are on the same screen):

Settings by Dave Milton
Sound Directors William Fox, Glen Rominger
Art Director Charles Clague

Now, art director is no problem, but I included it for context. As you can see, there is "Settings by" and it comes before art director, so it probably equals production designer. But should Milton get a credit in Profiler? My guess is No, but I'd like to hear what others say.

Then there are the sound directors. There is no other sound credit, so "Sound" or nothing?

"Settings" in older movies appearing as top credit is Production Design.

But of course DVD Profiler Community wants to ignore this and go for blind application of the rules. Nothing unusual there.

Yup. Looking at tweeter's latest reply, it's like we should just ignore crew credits from older movies, just because they don't translate directly to modern day film-making.

While some crew roles might not be exactly like it is today, for obvious reasons, I still think it should be included in the database.

Either by translating the roles into what they are called—or could be called—in this modern world.
Or Ken is so nice and add these "old" roles into the database. Perhaps under another tab, named for example Past/Vintage Crew Roles, or something.

I mean, I think we have an obligation to pay homage to the old movies, because without them, we wouldn't have a good movie industry and great film-making today. The past is both nice to  look back on, as it is to enjoy it and take serious notes how they did back then.

To just say "this doesn't go into the DB because it's obsolete" is like IMO flipping past movies off.

It would give DVD Profiler a lot of flesh to adjust the database to also be able to fully handle old movies.

I don't own many old titles, so I don't know how their profiles look, but I wouldn't be surprised if the information on them is scarce. The OP mentions a movie from the 40'ies, but as I see it, that's not a really old movie. Since there are movies from early 20th century and even a few years before that. Naturally, those movies weren't very advanced and the filming techniques were quite different back then, as well as it didn't take such a big crew. But speaking of larger titles... Starting with groundbreaking material, I mean. (Me being short of knowledge which the first, groundbreaking successes were...  )

Quoting tweeter:

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Sound Directors are not listed in the Rules.  Keep them local.

It is a direct translation of "Sound Supervisor", which is in the credit table.

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If someone is not credited with one of these roles (or direct translations of these roles), do not include them in the Crew section.

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Quoting scotthm:

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It is a direct translation of "Sound Supervisor", which is in the credit table.

Based on what I could find, this simply isn't true.  The "Sound Supervisor" aka "Supervising Sound Editor" is responsible for post production sound.  The "Sound Director" was the head of the sound department and was given credit for the work done by the entire sound department...pre-production, production and post-production.  With the death of the studio system, the role of the Sound Director was deligated to the post-production supervisor, supervising sound editor, sound designer or production sound mixer.

We can't just shoehorn old titles into current roles as they don't all translate directly.