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I dont understand this remark, it is not a complaint
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorquietman1965
Registered: June 17, 2012
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I contributed with my version of Man Hunt, including front cover.
Crew and cast belongs to other version, which I remarked. My contribution was released.
Up to this point all Ok.
A few days later I got the back cover and meanwhile there was an update in the database
that I accepted. In this particular Movie , update was bith year of one of the actors.
When uploading my contribution, I remarked " updated covers" and also spoted the new birth year that appeared. I did due as it was in the database , it is supposed to be previously accepted.

But got this answer

"Please use birth years only to distinguish between otherwise identical cast and crew. New birth year submissions must be documented."

This is what I dont understand, if this changes comes from the proper downloaded databese why must it be documented? Because frankly have no idea where it comes from.

K rgds
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It would help if you told us who the BY was for, but to answer your question, when you contribute a BY, you have to include the reason why the BY is needed in your contribution notes.  There are bad BYs in the database, that got in by accident, so this helps to keep them from spreading to other profiles.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDanae Cassandra
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Birth years are added to each profile in the online separately.

However they are added to each actor in your local database.

Therefore, when someone adds Film A with actor John Smith (1950) to the online, this birthyear shows up only for John Smith in Film A.

However, when you download the profile for Film A to your local database it adds the birthyear to John Smith in your local actor database.  So if you have Film B and Film C with him in it the birthyear appears there.

When you upload the profile for Film B you have to document that the birthyear for John Smith is valid, because as far as the online database is concerned, this is new to this profile.

This can be as simple as saying "propagating already approved BY for John Smith" and linking to the BY thread in the contribution forum.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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Although not mandatory one way to make it easier for the community is to document that BYs are needed.

BYs are an ongoing problem and there are many threads addressing this issue. Here are a few that deals with this topic:
* http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=618391&PageNum=1&messageID=1883483#M1883483
* http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=611116&PageNum=1&messageID=1839167#M1839167
* http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=607504&PageNum=1&messageID=1795915#M1795915

I brought the topic to the Rules Committee but no action was taken. You will need to request access to the Rules Committee (available to everyone) to see this post:
* http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=608025&PageNum=1&messageID=1801228#M1801228

Although the community tries to address and correct this as best they can, my understanding is that a permanent solution requires a complete overhaul of the database.

Links that provide documentation to help the community address this issue. The first shows BY that should not be in the database. The second for ones that are needed:
* http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=611900&messageID=1848655#M1848655
* http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=250804&PageNum=1&messageID=562115#M562115
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorquietman1965
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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It would help if you told us who the BY was for, but to answer your question, when you contribute a BY, you have to include the reason why the BY is needed in your contribution notes.  There are bad BYs in the database, that got in by accident, so this helps to keep them from spreading to other profiles.


Actor is Roddy McDowall and when updated database appeared as born in 1928
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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And this is exactly why you document it, every time. My first reaction wad there is more than One...really. Not in my memory. But I checked and my memory was right there is only one oddy mcdowall in film history Therefore the by was inserted unnecessarily and must be removed...but you also have to document that... Which is not hard.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorquietman1965
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Quoting Winston Smith:
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And this is exactly why you document it, every time. My first reaction wad there is more than One...really. Not in my memory. But I checked and my memory was right there is only one oddy mcdowall in film history Therefore the by was inserted unnecessarily and must be removed...but you also have to document that... Which is not hard.


What I did now is uploading again deleting the YB.
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It May have gotten in accidentally, or it may have snuck in with One of the users who wants to track every birth year. Either way it needs to be removed. At profiler we only use the birth year. As a discriminator between two actors or crew people with the same name.
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

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Quoting quietman1965:
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the new birth year that appeared

Birth Years are a mess.
Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect]
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributormdnitoil
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If an unneeded birth year infects the online, our local databases will explode.  We must be vigilant.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorquietman1965
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Hello again.

Yesterday I updated covers of previoulsy released contributions I made. ( they were accepted).
As I realiced that I did them without any cover , I contributed them yesterday.

I got this answer ·Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were non-specific. Please specify the exact source for your changes. (e.g. "Credits from film end credit list", "Previous version UPC#1111111111")"

Movies I updated just covers and got the same answer were (all from previously accepted contributions I made):

Les tricheurs
Ronin
Brazil

Meanwhile I also updated covers of previously accepted contributions I made of

Pack Gran Torino/Million dollar baby--> accepted
The American --> Got a positive answer
Kagemusha--> No answer
Ben Hur--> No answer
Passion of Christ-- No answer
Boccaccio 70-- No answer
Notting Hill&Love Actually: Edición de Amazon-- No answer
Wise blood-- No answer
Kwai river bridge-- No answer
Planet of the apes- No answer

The point is that I dont understand the criteria.

Same yes, some dont and all were previously accepted and released.

To finish with I contributed with 2 movies that are not in database

Passport to Pimilico and I Married a Monster from Outer Space

All features are my own, first one was rejected with above comentary and second one was accepted.
I dont understand why asking for sources if all features are my own as nothing in database.


Please may someone tell me what I am doing wrong?



B rgds
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLithurge
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Basically the screeners expect you to state where the info you've submitted has been taken from.

For example you submit with cast & crew details and in your initial contribution notes you don't state where that data has come from. In later submissions you've mentioned an exisiting UPC which is enough for the screeners to accept it.

It may be some screeners look for more detail than others if you're finding some are accepted and some rejected when the notes are the same.

When I submit an update I usually state what's been taken from the case, what's been taken from internet sources (e.g. retail price. release date), as well as what those sources were and what's been copied from another profile e.g. cast/crew and what the UPC of that profile is.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorquietman1965
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Thx Lithurge
All this could be solved if there were somehow a criteria.
What was valid before should be now because at the end we all here to mantain the db,
not to do work twice.
B rgds
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantDigitalGhost
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You are not trying to update covers.
You are contributing a new online profile to the spanish locality.
So your contribution note have to be more than "updated covers"
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorquietman1965
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Thx DigitalGhost for your remark.

So when I resend contribution something like

" Covers updated, belonging to my own contribution allready released and accepted" should be ok as remark?

Because this is what it is.

B rgds
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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If the only thing you are updating is the cover, then all you need to say is, "Adding scans of actual cover art."
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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