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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,640 |
| | Posted: | | | | There is a pending contibution for Chopping Mall: Quote:
added original theatrical title.
Killbots. http://adamantiumbullet.com/?p=19339 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090837/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_dt_dt#akas
Tanked at the boxoffice, Name changed, rereleased and tanked again. The rules don't seem to cover this situation. It deals with onscreen title vs. cover title. I can certainly see the reasoning behind this contribution, but I'm not sure if it is acceptable from a rules viewpoint. What say you? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | This should decide what is original title. Theater, first media, or DVD. | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,245 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | I just looked at the Original Title Rules again (been a while)... Quote:
The Original Title field serves two general purposes, but in both cases allows for the tracking of the original feature title. For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits. For titles released outside their country of origin, use the original release title.
In cases where the title is the original title, leave the Original Title field blank.
Foreign Films: The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin. i.e. A German DVD release for a film originally produced in the United States would have the German title in the Title field and the English title in the Original Title Field.
Modified Titles: The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release. For instance, for the Special Edition rerelease of There's Something About Mary:
Title: There's Something More About Mary
Original Title: There's Something About Mary
Going by what the rules state... From what I can see it don't matter what link you find... The original title comes from the film credits (if different from the cover title). | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Original Title should be the Original Release Title no matter on which medium.
If a Feature gets (mostly for merchandising reasons) re-released with a different title that usually doesn't make it a different film.
Some collectors will have a new double-dip nevertheless. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Only problem is... the rules don't allow for it. Rules tells us where to get the info from... Quote:
For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Then the rules should be changed to remove the word "original" I suppose since clearly it's not the correct use of the word by definition. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Can only contribute and vote per how the rules (or Ken) says it is to be done. Turns out I even have this title and because of how the rules are stated had to vote no. I know... no one says I have to vote... but I do wholeheartedly believe that for the online database all profiles need to be as the rules say. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Only problem is... the rules don't allow for it. That's why I used the word "should". The rules as they are only allow the title from the credits (if it differs from the title on the cover), no matter if it's the actual Original Title or the Re-Release Title. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | That should wasn't completely clear as being what the "rules should be" I thought you were saying it should be that as the rules stand especially since that is what the OP asked for. Quote:
There is a pending contibution for Chopping Mall:
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added original theatrical title.
Killbots. http://adamantiumbullet.com/?p=19339 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090837/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_dt_dt#akas
Tanked at the boxoffice, Name changed, rereleased and tanked again.
The rules don't seem to cover this situation. It deals with onscreen title vs. cover title.
I can certainly see the reasoning behind this contribution, but I'm not sure if it is acceptable from a rules viewpoint. What say you?
As you can see above with what I put in bold. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rules specifically allows for the tracking of the original feature title. That means it must be allowed to enter the original feature title regardless of medium in the original title field. I can not interpret the rules in any other way. If we are not allowed to enter the original title, the original feature title can not be tracked and then the rule would make no sense and of course the original title field would be useless for this purpose. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | I just cannot ignore the rules telling us where to get the original title from. If they wanted the original title no matter what they wouldn't have put any restrictions on where to get the info from. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | The film in question is my contribution. And other then that first release under the name Killbots no other medium has used that title, cable tv, VHS and DVD have been Chopping Mall along with the 2nd theatrical release. But if the decision to not allow is decided, then the previous issue with Marvel's the Avengers as original title should be allowed. And there are other titles that would have to be changed. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I said... the rules state where to get this info from. In this case the rules as written is not getting followed. So that means a no vote. Whether or not there is other titles is in the database that do not follow this rule is beside the point... as there always are titles in the database that don't follow the rule... this is true for every rule we have. It just means that those titles must be fixed to follow the rules as they are posted. At the very least for the online database... as the rules also say... Quote:
If you wish to save different information in your local profiles, you are free to do so in your local database, but do not contribute your information. The main database is standardized so that all profiles follow these rules. DVD Profiler allows you to lock your data so that it is not overwritten by updates from the main database. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
As I said... the rules state where to get this info from. In this case the rules as written is not getting followed. So that means a no vote.
Whether or not there is other titles is in the database that do not follow this rule is beside the point... as there always are titles in the database that don't follow the rule... this is true for every rule we have. It just means that those titles must be fixed to follow the rules as they are posted. At the very least for the online database... as the rules also say...
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If you wish to save different information in your local profiles, you are free to do so in your local database, but do not contribute your information. The main database is standardized so that all profiles follow these rules. DVD Profiler allows you to lock your data so that it is not overwritten by updates from the main database. That is the way I read it at first. But I was informed that a original title change to the The Avengers to Marvel's the Avengers was wrong and was voted down based on a personal viewing by a voter that the on-screen in the theater did not have Marvel's in the title. I've tried both ways now and have received no votes. Theatrical release title (no votes)should be DVD film credits, title from DVD film credits (no votes) shoud be theatrical title. The definition of original to me, means 1st. So original title = 1st title. |
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