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A title Capitalization Question
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Hey all...I have a question about title capitalization. I want to say I remember something here from school... but it has been so many years since I been to school I just can't remember. When you have a title like...

The Key & The Clock

Should it be...

The Key & The Clock 

or

The Key & the Clock

I want to say because of the the ampersand we use capital for both appearances of the word "The"... but I can't remember for sure and having a hard time finding this particular case on a website.

Anyone here remember which way is correct.

BTW... this is for an episode list of a TV release... not the title field... if that matters.
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If it were "and" it was easy, but I agree with the "&" this feels more right:

The Key & The Clock
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Not according to harvardedu or APA Style. Other reputable sources such as The Chicago Manual of Style recommends that an ampersand never be used (it isn't that hard to spell out "and").

Since "&" and "and" are the same thing I would follow the same capitalization rules for both.
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I believe this is about an episode list and divider usage, not a title, right Pete?
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Not the title field no... it is the title of the episode. Been a while since I watched... but don't think the episode title shows in the actual episode. Just listed on the case.
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The Key & The Clock
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For your info, a line from the overview:

'His only hope of saving her is to find The Key...'

It's a tv-series The Lost Room, which is about important objects. Since the overview uses a capital T, that's what I went for in the episode list.
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Quoting JeroenX:
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For your info, a line from the overview:

'His only hope of saving her is to find The Key...'

It's a tv-series The Lost Room, which is about important objects. Since the overview uses a capital T, that's what I went for in the episode list.


Per the rules we have to copy the overview exactly. But, we don't carry that data to other areas where capitalization rules apply.

I've often seen the title of the movie entirely capitalized in the overview as well as on the front cover - it gets changed to per capitalization rules.

The problem for me is what is grammatically correct?
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Quoting Kathy:
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The problem for me is what is grammatically correct?


The key and the clock.
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According to Invelos' rules it would be:

The Key & the Clock
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Quoting hal9g:
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According to Invelos' rules it would be:

The Key & the Clock

This is how I read the rules as well...though I would change it locally to 'The Key & The Clock'.
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If it was for the title field I can see it what with the rule about "joining words".... but this is for a simple episode list in the overview. As far as I see there is no such rule for the episode lists in the overviews.

I still think I remember being taught something about when using the ampersand. Maybe my memory is going nuts... but I could have sworn it.
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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If it was for the title field I can see it what with the rule about "joining words".... but this is for a simple episode list in the overview. As far as I see there is no such rule for the episode lists in the overviews.

Now that I go back and look, you are correct, there is no specific rule for the episode list in the overview.  However, doesn't it make sense to have that list match what his used in the episode list?  It does to me, so that might be where I thought it was in the rules.
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Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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The rule for the episode titles in the credits list is...

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Take the episode title from the episode itself, or from elsewhere on the DVD or DVD packaging, exactly as shown. If all episode titles are entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead. If the episodes are listed with quotes around each title, exclude the quotes.


The only place that I know of that says anything about joining words and such is for the Title Field itself.

So we have for the cast and crew lists with the rule quoted above... and we have the title list talking about joining words. And we have nothing stated for the simple episode list in overview.
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So with the rules as they are written... I would say that if in the packaging or on the DVD itself it says "The Key & The Clock" that is what I would use since that isn't all caps.
Pete
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