The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc aka Joan of Arc

Original Title is Jeanne d'Arc. In Québec, the french version was titled La Messagère : L'Histoire de Jeanne d'Arc, but that should apply for the 19 locality only.
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Blueberry aka Blueberry: L'expérince Secrète

Original Title is  Blueberry: L'Expérience secrète
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Nikita aka La femme Nikita

Original Title is Nikita
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In Québec, the french version was titled La Messagère : L'Histoire de Jeanne d'Arc, but that should apply for the 19 locality only.

The Original Title should be the same for *all* localities.

On screen title for my blu-ray edition :



as Lithurge wrote, rules say:
Foreign Films: The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin.

Well France is a Western country so is your point it was made for English speaking audiences rather than Western audiences?

I can understand where you're coming from on that basis and it's probably one of those circumstances that's not been thought of when the rule was written, and I can't say I'm surprised it wasn't.

But as the rule is worded, we have to use the title of the film that was used in the country it was produced in (its country of origin). Gaumont is a French company, it produced the film in France, so although it premiered in the US we have to go with the French title.

As this was not released in France with the English title then that means the French title.

Otherwise there would be wording to state that where the film is intended for a different market then the title used in that market should be used. You would have to hope that there wasn't one title used for the US and one for the UK though.

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Well France is a Western country so is your point it was made for English speaking audiences rather than Western audiences?

I can understand where you're coming from on that basis and it's probably one of those circumstances that's not been thought of when the rule was written, and I can't say I'm surprised it wasn't.

But as the rule is worded, we have to use the title of the film that was used in the country it was produced in (its country of origin). Gaumont is a French company, it produced the film in France, so although it premiered in the US we have to go with the French title.

As this was not released in France with the English title then that means the French title.

Otherwise there would be wording to state that where the film is intended for a different market then the title used in that market should be used. You would have to hope that there wasn't one title used for the US and one for the UK though.

So with this reasoning - The Fifth Element should have the original title of Le cinquième élément Since Gaumont is the Production company and this is the French title?

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So with this reasoning - The Fifth Element should have the original title of Le cinquième élément Since Gaumont is the Production company and this is the French title?

Well. this is a good question. The movie was a French production and released in france as Le cinquième élément but it was filmed in the english language, with a predominantly english cast and  released in english as The Fifth element. I would go with the french original title for a movie where the director, Luc Besson, and most of the crew is french, but it is a tough case. Some movies are difficult to place in the Invelos universe;  Paris brûle-t-il? (is Paris Burning?) is another example.
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Same with the Christina Applegate film Just Visiting. Remake of the French version for the USA audience With the original French actors Jean Reno, Christian Clavier & Director/writer Jean-Marie Gaubert. Gaumont Produced.

This is why I asked, Joan of Arc has 3 original titles in the database (depending on the region)

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So with this reasoning - The Fifth Element should have the original title of Le cinquième élément Since Gaumont is the Production company and this is the French title?

Whether we like it or not yes as the rule is currently written. Original titles are not dependent on region they are dependent on production origin and the title used in that country of origin.

I would expect there will be people that vote no on any attempt to change it though.

Just Visiting would depend on how well we can pin down the country of origin required by the rule. In this case it's a US/French co-production that seems to have been made in the US with largely US crew, so I'd lean towards its country of origin being the US.

However, Joanne d'Arc is acted in english, the cast is 50/50 USA/French, crew is 100% French, studios are Columbia TriStrar and Gaumont...

Another case is Tornatore's La migliore offerta / The Best Offer: USA cast, italian crew, acted in english, studios Warner and Paco cinematografica

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However, Joanne d'Arc is acted in english, the cast is 50/50 USA/French, crew is 100% French, studios are Columbia TriStrar and Gaumont...

Another case is Tornatore's La migliore offerta / The Best Offer: USA cast, italian crew, acted in english, studios Warner and Paco cinematografica

Columbia is a distrubutor not a production company on this film, distributors often have nothing to do with country of origin, that's why we end up with different release dates on films and region coding on DVD's/Blu-rays...

What about Passion of the Christ, shot in Aramaic as an artistic choice, not because of its country of origin.