Today I got this contribution to vote upon:



@contributor: this is not aimed against you in any shape or form, this is a general question

Question: How am I to reasonably vote on this change? I have no immediate way of sneak-peaking into any of these four profiles to know if that contribution has any merit or not.

Not necessarily Martian...

Say you have 2 distinctly different releases of The Addams Family / Addams Family Values released... possibly 2 different UPCs... but it is the same disc with the same disc ID... and very different cover art.

1 release would have Disc ID and Disc ID Variant #1

The other release would have to use Disc ID Variant #2 and Disc ID Variant #3.

But what would trouble me is that this one already has the first added to it. So the notes for the change should include documentation/reasoning that it should be the other 2 profiles... or be voted no to IMHO.

While I agree with you to a point.... the cover art may not be the only difference. Could be the title is different... see the other thread... there could be differences in the overviews.... in the release dates... etc, etc.

Just because it is the same disc id does not mean that is the only difference.

In this case who knows... one could be called The Addams Family and Addams Family Values and the other release could be The Addams Family Collection for all we know. But still use the same disc in both releases.

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Right off the bat, since there are only two films in this set, I would say it looks wrong.  There should be one profile by disc ID and one by alternate disc ID, not two alternate disc ID profiles.

You would  be wrong.  It's a very similar release. 

I own 097361-181141, but there is a 883929-322213.  Wich is a re-release of the the version I own when WB took over distribution for Paramount.

The Disc ID is the same.  Someone created a Disc ID for The Addams Family and Variant #1 for Addas Family Values.  Those do not match my release, so I created variants with the correct cover art and data.  They were approved, so I added them to the Parent.

I can't make one by Disc ID because It's already been created the other release, it has to be another variant.

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Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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Not necessarily Martian...

Say you have 2 distinctly different releases of The Addams Family / Addams Family Values released... possibly 2 different UPCs... but it is the same disc with the same disc ID... and very different cover art.

But if everything is exactly the same (which should be the case since the Disc ID is the same else the Disc ID would change) except the cover art then this just leads to even more unnecessary duplicative data in the database.  Further, we'll now have some people updating one profile that won't flow into the other respective profile(s).  This limits the pool of users contributing to any one profile.

I still think an option to upload multiple versions of different cover art to one profile would be best.  This way the end user can select the cover art that they have but all other data gets pushed to all users that have the same disc regardless of cover.  This option could also, possibly, be used for profiles that initially came with a slip cover and later did not.

While the front cover is the same, the UPC on the rear cover is different.  Which is a huge difference IMO.  Not to mention the SRP & release date are different.  If anything this set should take precedence since it was released first.  I thought this was the whole point of the new system, to be able to have accurate information for different releases.

Maybe Ken can stop contributions with Box Set information if they haven't been released yet, so you can make a determination for yourself.  Either way the Children will be view able on the next update.

They should be released in the next update, so you should be able to see for yourself, but if you own the set you can verify that the UPC is different for the Box set and the already created profiles for the other release.

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Not necessarily Martian...

Say you have 2 distinctly different releases of The Addams Family / Addams Family Values released... possibly 2 different UPCs... but it is the same disc with the same disc ID... and very different cover art.

1 release would have Disc ID and Disc ID Variant #1

The other release would have to use Disc ID Variant #2 and Disc ID Variant #3.

But what would trouble me is that this one already has the first added to it. So the notes for the change should include documentation/reasoning that it should be the other 2 profiles... or be voted no to IMHO.

The part I bolded is exactly why I said it looks wrong...not that it was wrong, only that it looked that way.  This release already had a variant added to it so, one would think, that the two new variants would have been added to the other release.

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Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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Not necessarily Martian...

Say you have 2 distinctly different releases of The Addams Family / Addams Family Values released... possibly 2 different UPCs... but it is the same disc with the same disc ID... and very different cover art.

1 release would have Disc ID and Disc ID Variant #1

The other release would have to use Disc ID Variant #2 and Disc ID Variant #3.

But what would trouble me is that this one already has the first added to it. So the notes for the change should include documentation/reasoning that it should be the other 2 profiles... or be voted no to IMHO.

The part I bolded is exactly why I said it looks wrong...not that it was wrong, only that it looked that way.  This release already had a variant added to it so, one would think, that the two new variants would have been added to the other release.

This was my question too. I've been holding back on voting because it looks like Variant number 1 is being removed with no notes on why. I didn't want to vote negative if this was the right thing to do.

To me, it looks like the profile has already been updated. There's the original disc id, and then variant one. The current update only has variant #2 and variant #3. The original disc id and variant number 2 have been removed completely. So, honestly, I'm still confused as to if this is the right thing to do. I also don't think the voters need to have to go hunting down every single profile of a disc to see if it's the right one, to be honest, but that may be a conversation for another time.

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To me, it looks like the profile has already been updated. There's the original disc id, and then variant one. The current update only has variant #2 and variant #3. The original disc id and variant number 2 have been removed completely. So, honestly, I'm still confused as to if this is the right thing to do. I also don't think the voters need to have to go hunting down every single profile of a disc to see if it's the right one, to be honest, but that may be a conversation for another time.

I am more than partly to blame for this... I am the ones that incorrectly added the wrong profiles to the parent.  I went to add them, and it wouldn't allow me to.. as Ken added the rule you can't add/update any disc Ids if one has been contributed.  I made the wrong assumption that the newly created Disc ID and variants matched the boxset I own.  I was wrong, it was for the WB re-release.  So my initial submission was approved.  I discovered this when downloading the released updates, and that is when I created the new variants.

I agree with you 100% there should be an easy way to view the children when voting on the parent.

But to play devils advocate, that hasn't been an issue before this.  Maybe it's a bigger issues now since there are a flood of new submissions.

Thank you for explaining. It might help if you had said that in your contribution notes, though! My next question then, is the variant label "#1, 2, etc..." correct? I know you're attaching the correct ones, but do the incorrect ones stay in the system? Or are they correctly done, just not for this release?