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| Registered: May 30, 2008 | | Posts: 445 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've been reading threads here and my understanding of child profiles under the new system is fuzzy at best.
I've just received the new Thunder Road Blu-ray + DVD combo pack, and I'd like to do a submission.
The case is a standard HD case without slip cover / case.
So do I create a box set with two profiles (one for each disc), or a single profile with an extra (DVD) disc, two discs total, or ...
And what link describes (different subject) how an alternate id is created / assigned?
Sorry. Very confused. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,428 |
| | Posted: | | | | Blu-ray + DVD combo: Create a standard profile, all info based on the Blu-ray disc contents. Both discs included in the disc info section. A Child profile for the DVD only may be created and submitted, but is not required. Guidelines for Alternate Versions - available in the program when you select Create New Alternate Version under Change UPC/Locality. | | | | Registered: February 10, 2002 |
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| Registered: May 30, 2008 | | Posts: 445 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting greyghost: Quote:
Blu-ray + DVD combo:
Create a standard profile, all info based on the Blu-ray disc contents. Both discs included in the disc info section.
A Child profile for the DVD only may be created and submitted, but is not required.
Turns out that the DVD included in this Blu-ray + DVD combo is unique from previous DVD versions, I think. So I could create a separate profile for it, and then submit it separately, or as a set contents? It's confusing because I can't see how what I have is different than the combo I just bought for "Burlesque", with In the parent profile .... 0ED7200A84DECD44 [BURLESQUE] 5927C31F14CCB161 [BURLESQUE] And then ... 8B83003810B3D50E [BURLESQUE] In the child profile, and of course there are only two discs total in the case. What up? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,428 |
| | Posted: | | | | In the parent:
Blu-ray disc-id
DVD disc-id.
Per the rules this is all that is required.
Optionally a child of
DVD disc-id.
The rules do not require that the DVD have a separate profile. If you wish, you may create and submit one (disc-id profile) and attach it to the main Blu-ray profile as a child.
The pertinent section of the rules follow
Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile. | | | | Registered: February 10, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,428 |
| | Posted: | | | | As for Burlesque, when I acquired this title in Nov. 2012, the profile looked like this:
In the parent profile....
0ED7200A84DECD44 [BURLESQUE]
8B83003810B3D50E [BURLESQUE]
With a child...
8B83003810B3D50E [BURLESQUE]
Wigram contributed.
Posted: December 8, 2012 7:59 AM
Added Alternate DiscIDs
which is why the profile now shows
In the parent profile ....
0ED7200A84DECD44 [BURLESQUE]
5927C31F14CCB161 [BURLESQUE] | | | | Registered: February 10, 2002 |
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| Registered: May 30, 2008 | | Posts: 445 |
| | Posted: | | | | But the presence of the extra alternate DiscID doesn't change how profiler counts the number of discs / profiles? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lasitter: Quote:
But the presence of the extra alternate DiscID doesn't change how profiler counts the number of discs / profiles? Not if you don't download it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: May 30, 2008 | | Posts: 445 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting lasitter:
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But the presence of the extra alternate DiscID doesn't change how profiler counts the number of discs / profiles?
Not if you don't download it. I'm still confused about this. Is this what the "Check accepted profiles for new box set contents" is all about? Why would I want a profile based on a disc ID that I don't have? |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lasitter: Quote:
Why would I want a profile based on a disc ID that I don't have? This is exactly what the new variants feature is intended to deal with. |
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| Registered: May 30, 2008 | | Posts: 445 |
| | Posted: | | | | Where can I find the best way to determine how my on-line profiles are "counted" vs how local discs in my profiler are "counted" vs "count as"?
For the Burlesque DiscID: 8B83003810B3D50E [BURLESQUE]
There's nothing under "features"
But for the parent profile, which indicates for both media type of DVD and BD, there are lots of features. How do you know which features are unique to the DVD vs BD? Wouldn't this be the purpose of having separate profiles?
If I deleted DiscID: 8B83003810B3D50E [BURLESQUE], perhaps because I have 5927C31F14CCB161 [BURLESQUE] instead, then I loose the count of "1" for the second disc, and to get that back I'd either have to increment the main profile by that number or create a supplementary DVD profile for the disc I actually have.
Yikes. |
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| Registered: May 30, 2008 | | Posts: 445 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting greyghost: Quote:
In the parent:
Blu-ray disc-id
DVD disc-id.
Per the rules this is all that is required.
Optionally a child of
DVD disc-id.
The rules do not require that the DVD have a separate profile. If you wish, you may create and submit one (disc-id profile) and attach it to the main Blu-ray profile as a child. This doesn't help make things clearer: "Disc IDs Do not include any Disc IDs on the main profile - these are listed on each of the individual profiles." Plus, if you don't have the child profile, how do you distinguish features between discs? And how does having the parent w/BD+DVD change the counting of things compared to having a separate / additional profile for the DVD? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quote:
Quoting lasitter:
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Why would I want a profile based on a disc ID that I don't have?
I do not use child profiles for combo sets so I can't answer that question. What I have read, some people want the alternate version so that the cover they have locally matches the online. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lasitter: Quote:
Where can I find the best way to determine how my on-line profiles are "counted" vs how local discs in my profiler are "counted" vs "count as"? I believe, and this might have changed, that the online counts the number of profiles in your collection. As far as I know, the 'count as' only affects your local number. Quote:
For the Burlesque DiscID: 8B83003810B3D50E [BURLESQUE]
There's nothing under "features"
But for the parent profile, which indicates for both media type of DVD and BD, there are lots of features. How do you know which features are unique to the DVD vs BD? Wouldn't this be the purpose of having separate profiles? Unless you, or somebody else, adds the features specific to the DVD to the DVD profile, there is no way to tell, by looking at the profile, which features are on the DVD. The main Blu-ray profile should show all the features in the set regardless of which disc they are on. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: May 30, 2008 | | Posts: 445 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I do not use child profiles for combo sets so I can't answer that question. What I have read, some people want the alternate version so that the cover they have locally matches the online. I've got things set for now but it wasn't easy. I verified which DVD I had via "inserted disc", added that, deleted the profile I didn't have, removed the original DVD profile from the main profile, added the box set for the "inserted disc", changed the UPC for that profile to the DiscID of the inserted disc, and changed the cover art for the child profile to match the BD+DVD combo. Then locked everything. Now I actually know which features, etc., the DVD has as opposed to the Blu-ray. |
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| Registered: May 30, 2008 | | Posts: 445 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Unless you, or somebody else, adds the features specific to the DVD to the DVD profile, there is no way to tell, by looking at the profile, which features are on the DVD. The main Blu-ray profile should show all the features in the set regardless of which disc they are on. On the flip side, it is possible for the DVD to have features that the BD does not. And if you glom everything onto the front profile, how can you tell the difference in audio tracks and subtitles, etc., for the two discs? It's obvious that the DVD won't have DTS-HD or any loss-less stuff, but it just seems like a very messy way of doing things to me. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
The main Blu-ray profile should show all the features in the set regardless of which disc they are on. That's not the way I interpret this part of the Rule on Combos: " are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type" and this: "A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile" bolding by me. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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