Welcome to the Invelos forums. Please read the forum rules before posting.

Read access to our public forums is open to everyone. To post messages, a free registration is required.

If you have an Invelos account, sign in to post.

    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2 3 4  Previous   Next
Director in start credits and end credits different written, what counts?
Author Message
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorSwissFilm
www.filmkino.ch
Registered: May 16, 2010
Reputation: Superior Rating
Switzerland Posts: 516
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Hello

What do I enter correct into the database if a director is written in

Start Credits:  ERIC LARTIGAU
End Credits:  Éric Lartigau

For me it should be the start credits how I enter it, correct?
*
3D TV Panasonic TX-P65VT30J + Blu-ray Player Panasonic DMP-BDT500
My Filmcollection online: www.filmkino.ch
*
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorninso4
Registered: January 16, 2010
Reputation: Highest Rating
Germany Posts: 1,617
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
I would take the end credits.

The rules state something similar about cast credits:
For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.

I know this does not mean to handle crew the same way, but for me end credits stand above start credits.
Think different

Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorSwissFilm
www.filmkino.ch
Registered: May 16, 2010
Reputation: Superior Rating
Switzerland Posts: 516
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
As far as I know we take the Crew from film start credits and only the additional Crew not in start credits from end credits. Cast is all from end credits, when normal credited.
*
3D TV Panasonic TX-P65VT30J + Blu-ray Player Panasonic DMP-BDT500
My Filmcollection online: www.filmkino.ch
*
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorAiAustria
Profiling since 2004
Registered: May 19, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Austria Posts: 5,715
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
I'd decide this from case to case, using the following criterias:
- If one of the credits is a typo, I wouldn't use it (does not apply here).
- If the credited person has an official website and one of the credits match the name used there, I'd use it (doen't apply either).
- If there is an international Wikipedia entry...
- If there is an national Wikipedia entry (here we have: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89ric_Lartigau) with a matching name -> Éric Lartigau, I'd use this.
- If there is an already established Common name, I'd use it...
- If nothing else makes a decision, I'd use the CLT - which, unfortunately, contradicts the Wikipedia in this case: Eric Lartigau 19/41 vs. Éric Lartigau 1/1
Complete list of Common Names  •  A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1)
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributoremmeli
www.myprofiler.de
Registered: June 26, 2013
Reputation: High Rating
Germany Posts: 694
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting ninso4:
Quote:
I would take the end credits.

The rules state something similar about cast credits:
For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.

I know this does not mean to handle crew the same way, but for me end credits stand above start credits.


+1

Quoting AiAustria:
Quote:

- If nothing else makes a decision, I'd use the CLT - which, unfortunately, contradicts the Wikipedia in this case: Eric Lartigau 19/41 vs. Éric Lartigau 1/1


but in this case it's wrong.

Les Infidèles 2012



CLT listed him as Eric Lartigau for this movie. another case where is a Common Name Thread necessary.


the real BirthYear OverView
 Last edited: by emmeli
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorAiAustria
Profiling since 2004
Registered: May 19, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Austria Posts: 5,715
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
That's why the CLT is my last resort. It tends to carry on errors and IMDB data very long...

But 19 titles against 1 is a rather reliable result, which would not make me starting a common name thread...
Complete list of Common Names  •  A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1)
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorSwissFilm
www.filmkino.ch
Registered: May 16, 2010
Reputation: Superior Rating
Switzerland Posts: 516
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting AiAustria:
Quote:
That's why the CLT is my last resort. It tends to carry on errors and IMDB data very long...

But 19 titles against 1 is a rather reliable result, which would not make me starting a common name thread...


I agree, a common name thread is when the result is tied up. But more important is now about the Crew. I always take all Crew from film start credits, rest of Crew from film end credits when not credited in start credits. In the case here it is important as written in start credits with E and end Credits with É. Also the Producers in start credits have another order than in end credits. We really must fix this but I believe it was always the way as I did, start credits are for the Crew primary, end credits secondary.
*
3D TV Panasonic TX-P65VT30J + Blu-ray Player Panasonic DMP-BDT500
My Filmcollection online: www.filmkino.ch
*
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributoremmeli
www.myprofiler.de
Registered: June 26, 2013
Reputation: High Rating
Germany Posts: 694
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quote:
Take Crew Credits from the film credits only; list names exactly as they are in the credits. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead. 


opening credit is ERIC LARTIGAU, end credit is Éric Lartigau. so you can use the standard capitalization rules. -> Éric Lartigau. same for all other crew member. that's the way that i go.


the real BirthYear OverView
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
Who is John Galt?
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 6,635
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
I always give preference to the end credits when someone is credited in both beginning and ending credits.

In this case I would go with:

Eric Lartigau [Éric Lartigau]
Hal
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
Alien with an attitude
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 13,201
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting hal9g:
Quote:
I always give preference to the end credits when someone is credited in both beginning and ending credits.

While I would love to be a contrarian, I do the same thing.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributordee1959jay
Registered: March 19, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Netherlands Posts: 6,018
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting hal9g:
Quote:
I always give preference to the end credits when someone is credited in both beginning and ending credits.

In this case I would go with:

Eric Lartigau [Éric Lartigau]


This.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
Since July 3, 2003
Registered: March 29, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
France Posts: 4,479
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting emmeli:
Quote:
...contradicts the Wikipedia in this case: Eric Lartigau 19/41 vs. Éric Lartigau 1/1
but in this case it's wrong.
...
CLT listed him as Eric Lartigau for this movie. another case where is a Common Name Thread necessary

Note that Éric Lartigau is exactly the same as Eric Lartigau.
In this case, E=É=é (exactly as I=i though the . is apparent in i and not in I)

There have never been any variant for this name in credits. What is the interest to create one, just to have fake names in CLT ?
We are in front of a typographic choice, and we do not create variants for A or A or A
Images from movies
 Last edited: by surfeur51
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributormreeder50
I was outta bullets
Registered: March 29, 2007
Reputation: Superior Rating
United States Posts: 2,737
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting hal9g:
Quote:
I always give preference to the end credits when someone is credited in both beginning and ending credits.

In this case I would go with:

Eric Lartigau [Éric Lartigau]

I agree with Hal on this one.
Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorAiAustria
Profiling since 2004
Registered: May 19, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Austria Posts: 5,715
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting surfeur51:
Quote:
Quoting emmeli:
Quote:
...contradicts the Wikipedia in this case: Eric Lartigau 19/41 vs. Éric Lartigau 1/1
but in this case it's wrong.
...
CLT listed him as Eric Lartigau for this movie. another case where is a Common Name Thread necessary

Note that Éric Lartigau is exactly the same as Eric Lartigau.
In this case, E=É=é (exactly as I=i though the . is apparent in i and not in I)

There have never been any variant for this name in credits. What is the interest to create one, just to have fake names in CLT ?
We are in front of a typographic choice, and we do not create variants for A or A or A

This relies on language and location and can't be gerneralized.

As long as there are different characters in the character set, they can't be named exactly the same, sorry.
Complete list of Common Names  •  A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1)
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
Since July 3, 2003
Registered: March 29, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
France Posts: 4,479
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting AiAustria:
Quote:
As long as there are different characters in the character set, they can't be named exactly the same, sorry.

That is why I gave the example of A, A and A. They are also typographic variants that are not exactly the same, but you do not create fake variants.
Images from movies
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributoremmeli
www.myprofiler.de
Registered: June 26, 2013
Reputation: High Rating
Germany Posts: 694
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting surfeur51:
Quote:

Note that Éric Lartigau is exactly the same as Eric Lartigau.
In this case, E=É=é (exactly as I=i though the . is apparent in i and not in I)


false! right is E!=É=é and I=i. so Éric Lartigau is not the same as Eric Lartigau.

Café != Coffee != Kaffee. <- it's the same drink, but is spelled differently.

cheers emmeli


the real BirthYear OverView
 Last edited: by emmeli
    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2 3 4  Previous   Next