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| Registered: January 16, 2010 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,617 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yesterday, I opened this thread about some unusual song writer credits. Some users suggested to use the common names. This is no problem for the credits for B.L. (Bernie Larsen) & P.A. (Peter Atanasoff) because both are credited for other films under their right names. The other two people C.D. (Chad Dube) & T.L. (Tiki Lewis) have only this one credit. So what is the right way to credit them?Option 1:If an actor name is only a first name or stage name enter it entirely in the first name field. Option 2:Make use of the credited as field with C. D. as common name Option 3:Make use of the credited as field with Chad Dube as common name | | | Think different
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Option 3 is irrelevent since there is no Chad Dube credit. (Can not be a common name).
Option one would be the correct credit, matches screen credit. If it gets auto filtered to option 2, that's on Invelos.
Anything other than option 1 is against the contribution rules. |
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| Registered: July 26, 2010 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 259 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hello all... It may be against the current Rules, but in this situation, I actually prefer Option 3. Although it is Chad Dube's first credit defined in DVD Profiler, there is always the potential that future credits would use his full name, rather than initials or some other designation. It would seem to be easier to follow if his full name were defined from the beginning. Just my thoughts...  |
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| Registered: August 4, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
Option 3 is irrelevent since there is no Chad Dube credit. (Can not be a common name).
Option one would be the correct credit, matches screen credit. If it gets auto filtered to option 2, that's on Invelos.
Anything other than option 1 is against the contribution rules. Option 1 and 2 bring to the same final result due to the invelos auto filter. | | | | Updated List of Accepted Birth Years |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'd tend to bend the rules on this either:
a) these initials aren't stage names or something like that, but simple abreviations
b) If the guys make it to the data base later on - regardless which name will get their common name - we won't find the pure initials to link them
c) the information value of initials is rather thin, except they are a stage name | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kluge: Quote:
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Option 3 is irrelevent since there is no Chad Dube credit. (Can not be a common name).
Option one would be the correct credit, matches screen credit. If it gets auto filtered to option 2, that's on Invelos.
Anything other than option 1 is against the contribution rules.
Option 1 and 2 bring to the same final result due to the invelos auto filter. I don't believe the auto filter changes D.J. the same way it doesn't change Will.i.am |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
I'd tend to bend the rules on this either:
a) these initials aren't stage names or something like that, but simple abreviations
b) If the guys make it to the data base later on - regardless which name will get their common name - we won't find the pure initials to link them
c) the information value of initials is rather thin, except they are a stage name The reason the CLT is a mess is because people keep bending the rules, playing the grey areas of the rules to achieve the result they want. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
I don't believe the auto filter changes D.J. the same way it doesn't change Will.i.am Correct. T.J. is interpreted as stage name and kept intact. While T.J. Lastname is converted to T./J./Lastname. | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
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I'd tend to bend the rules on this either:
a) these initials aren't stage names or something like that, but simple abreviations
b) If the guys make it to the data base later on - regardless which name will get their common name - we won't find the pure initials to link them
c) the information value of initials is rather thin, except they are a stage name
The reason the CLT is a mess is because people keep bending the rules, playing the grey areas of the rules to achieve the result they want. CLT is a mess, because of: - old data - data from people not cross linking, but taking the first entry somewhat looking like the credit... - invalid original titles and most of all: - TV shows with incorrect Original Title/Release Date combinations (which is not clearly defined in the rules and source for more than one great dispute). But CLT will not get affected at all, by listing these Persons with their life names with a credited as entry! Don't willingly compare apples and oranges  | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
Quoting ateo357:
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Quoting AiAustria:
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I'd tend to bend the rules on this either:
a) these initials aren't stage names or something like that, but simple abreviations
b) If the guys make it to the data base later on - regardless which name will get their common name - we won't find the pure initials to link them
c) the information value of initials is rather thin, except they are a stage name
The reason the CLT is a mess is because people keep bending the rules, playing the grey areas of the rules to achieve the result they want.
CLT is a mess, because of:
- old data
- data from people not cross linking, but taking the first entry somewhat looking like the credit...
- invalid original titles
and most of all:
- TV shows with incorrect Original Title/Release Date combinations (which is not clearly defined in the rules and source for more than one great dispute).
But CLT will not get affected at all, by listing these Persons with their life names with a credited as entry!
Don't willingly compare apples and oranges old data - same people that contributed the old data are bending the rules to achieve the result they want. data from people not cross-linking - people that believe because of an auto filter why contribute the correct on screen credit (T.J. Miller) when it is going to be changed to T. J. Miller etc. Invalid original titles - Invelos is partly responsible for this Their definition of an original title doesn't always match what the original title is. TV series- Geri's fault on this. the rules are correct for how to enter TV seasons. But you have a few whiners that want to sort their collection by original title but want the DVD case title or individual disc title in the original title field, instead of using the original title. And they don't no the difference between a standard TV series disc and a compilation disc. CLT will not be affected - It may not be affected to you. But there is no valid credit for Chad Dube to be in the database, which is the same database I use, so it affects me. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
CLT will not be affected - It may not be affected to you. But there is no valid credit for Chad Dube to be in the database, which is the same database I use, so it affects me. Actually, it doesn't affect anyone as the CLT only counts the 'Credited as' entry. What I mean is, an entry of 'Chad Dube (C.B.)' will be counted, by the CLT, as 'C.B.'. Under a CLT search, Chat Dube should give a result of "Chad Dube" is credited in the following 0 titles (0 profiles):. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying it should be entered that way, only that it won't affect the CLT for anyone. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
Invalid original titles - Invelos is partly responsible for this Their definition of an original title doesn't always match what the original title is.
TV series- Geri's fault on this. the rules are correct for how to enter TV seasons. But you have a few whiners that want to sort their collection by original title but want the DVD case title or individual disc title in the original title field, instead of using the original title. And they don't no the difference between a standard TV series disc and a compilation disc. We would stand on the same side on this topic - though it doesn't bother me, if the original title includes a standardized season indicator or not. But you didn't even contribute anything to the latest thread on this topic: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=822394 - so, why are you whinning around? | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
Quoting ateo357:
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Invalid original titles - Invelos is partly responsible for this Their definition of an original title doesn't always match what the original title is.
TV series- Geri's fault on this. the rules are correct for how to enter TV seasons. But you have a few whiners that want to sort their collection by original title but want the DVD case title or individual disc title in the original title field, instead of using the original title. And they don't no the difference between a standard TV series disc and a compilation disc.
We would stand on the same side on this topic - though it doesn't bother me, if the original title includes a standardized season indicator or not. But you didn't even contribute anything to the latest thread on this topic: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=822394 - so, why are you whinning around? not authorized to view that page. Don't know what you're talking about. Is it a discussion in the rules forum? |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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CLT will not be affected - It may not be affected to you. But there is no valid credit for Chad Dube to be in the database, which is the same database I use, so it affects me.
Actually, it doesn't affect anyone as the CLT only counts the 'Credited as' entry.
What I mean is, an entry of 'Chad Dube (C.B.)' will be counted, by the CLT, as 'C.B.'. Under a CLT search, Chat Dube should give a result of "Chad Dube" is credited in the following 0 titles (0 profiles):.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying it should be entered that way, only that it won't affect the CLT for anyone. Invalid BYs don't affect the CLT, but they are still in the database. An incorrect common name that shouldn't be in the database is the same as a invalid BY. |
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| Registered: August 4, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
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Option 3 is irrelevent since there is no Chad Dube credit. (Can not be a common name).
Option one would be the correct credit, matches screen credit. If it gets auto filtered to option 2, that's on Invelos.
Anything other than option 1 is against the contribution rules.
Option 1 and 2 bring to the same final result due to the invelos auto filter.
I don't believe the auto filter changes D.J. the same way it doesn't change Will.i.am But C.D. isn't a stage name, isn't it? So we should enter it as C. (first name) D. (second name) and credited as C.D. | | | | Updated List of Accepted Birth Years |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
Invalid BYs don't affect the CLT, but they are still in the database. An incorrect common name that shouldn't be in the database is the same as a invalid BY. ... and now throwing in peaches... | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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