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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting JP_S: Quote:
I am said to see this happening.
But do you think if we would still have been living in caves this wouldn't happen? Because I think it would happen, maybe you could have still lived on the island 50 years from now, but the island would have been flooded anyway. That is the problem men has when they start living somewhere. If it is either below sea level or almost at sea level there is nothing you can do about the climate changes.
We indeed can be better for the environment, but instead of Tuvalu not exsisting in 50 years it might be a 100 years from now. Only difference is that you and I won't be around to worry about it, but our children will have to do that. I don't think anyone could disagree that the effect of gloabal warming has been hastened by the actions of man. If we had longer to act then we could make a real difference - for instance on Tuvalu if there was more time then it might have been possible to do something which would help. But we have now practically ran out of time. Royal Society information about Global warming | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 460 |
| | Posted: | | | | But what could we have done? If the atoll is a couple of meters above sea level the only possibility is to create ugly high dikes. That is the only 'thing' we could do in NED.
What we cannot do is make the sea level go down. Even if the whole event would have been natural and men had nothing to do with it. | | | | Jean-Paul |
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| Registered: April 8, 2007 |  Posts: 1,057 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hi Guys,
JP_S - Exactly!
Think of mother nature has a train going 50 mph, (heading towards Al Gore's worst nightmare) man by his actions can get the train going faster 51 - 52 mph, or work real hard at being green & slow it to 47 -48 mph. Man cannot stop the train.
Take Care
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Good analogy, Rico.
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rico: Quote:
Think of mother nature has a train going 50 mph, (heading towards Al Gore's worst nightmare) ManBearPig? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hmmm I wonder if we buy enough carbon credits from Al Gore if he will go stand in front of the train. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: April 8, 2007 | | Posts: 1,057 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hi Guys, Speaking of trains see: TrainWhat's a ManBearPig? Take Care Rico | | | If I felt any better I'd be sick!
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 366 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,136 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rico: Quote:
Think of mother nature has a train going 50 mph, man by his actions can get the train going faster 51 - 52 mph, or work real hard at being green & slow it to 47 -48 mph. Man cannot stop the train. I can stop the train I am... after all... a train driver (or engineer if you prefer) This thread, whilst important... needs to calm down a bit | | | Signature? We don't need no stinking... hang on, this has been done... blast [oooh now in Widescreen]
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rico: Quote:
Hi Guys,
JP_S - Exactly!
Think of mother nature has a train going 50 mph, (heading towards Al Gore's worst nightmare) man by his actions can get the train going faster 51 - 52 mph, or work real hard at being green & slow it to 47 -48 mph. Man cannot stop the train.
Take Care
Rico Wait, wait, wait. I thought the idea was to get the train up to 88 mph.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 366 |
| | Posted: | | | | No, that's for DeLoreans. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,623 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rico: Quote:
Think of mother nature has a train going 50 mph, (heading towards Al Gore's worst nightmare) man by his actions can get the train going faster 51 - 52 mph, or work real hard at being green & slow it to 47 -48 mph. Man cannot stop the train.
Isn't the point that if we slow down the train we not only lessen the effects of the impact, but also gain more time to prepare for the crash? There also seems to be wildly different opinions as to how much we can slow down the train, but it seems irresponsible to assume that we can't slow it down enough to have any effect. If you were aboard a train heading for a collision with a car with your children in it, wouldn't you at least try to apply the emergency brakes...? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 460 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Wait, wait, wait. I thought the idea was to get the train up to 88 mph. Kudos to you!!!! Now back on track  Another question to think about and lets use the same analogy. Mother Nature intended the train to go 50mph. Men sped it up to lets say 53mph, we are trying to slow it down to 47 mph. Do it long enough and they'll balance eachother out, but what if... we slow down that train to 40mph and leave it running at 40mph... won't we stop before Mother Nature intended the train to stop and have a whole different problem??? | | | | Jean-Paul | | | | Last edited: by Zoeper |
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| Registered: April 8, 2007 | | Posts: 1,057 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hi Guys,
When the train reaches its destination it turns around & goes back. Cyclic! When you reach global warming max., the train will start it journey to global cooling max.. You apply the brakes or prepare by choosing wisely where you live. It's still wise to slow the train, but understand the train will still reach its turn-around point. The benefits learned by slowing the train, is the reward. Remember the cyclic action of global natural warming/cooling occurred before mankind was around. Or the trains been making the round trip, forever, man has just now seen the train.
Take Care & Goodnight
Rico | | | If I felt any better I'd be sick!
Envy is mental theft. If you covet another mans possessions, then you should be willing to take on his responsibilities, heartaches, and troubles, along with his money. D. Koontz |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 460 |
| | Posted: | | | | I wonder which of both is actually worse... The warming of our planet, or the cooling down of our planet? Wet feet (since I live in The Netherlands) or no house to live in and move... flee to the south because the ice is/has destroyed al lot of houses | | | | Jean-Paul | | | | Last edited: by Zoeper |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting nolesrule: Quote:
No, that's for DeLoreans. In BTTF 3, it was a train. Quoting JP_S: Quote:
Another question to think about and lets use the same analogy.
Mother Nature intended the train to go 50mph.
Men sped it up to lets say 53mph, we are trying to slow it down to 47 mph. Do it long enough and they'll balance eachother out, but what if... we slow down that train to 40mph and leave it running at 40mph... won't we stop before Mother Nature intended the train to stop and have a whole different problem??? This is the part that always gets me. We have scientific proof that the earth goes through periods of cooling and heating. Do we, I mean 'man', really believe that we can halt something that has been going on for millenia? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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