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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: Quoting Dr Pavlov:
Quote: And as I have said 1/2/3 is more neutral than any other. No, it isn't. You can repeat it as long as you wish. Actually, it is. With three fields and a three part name, placing one part in each field is fairly neutral. That would bring us back to word counting. We are over that for a long time and for many reasons. You never said it was word counting, and I never said it wasn't, so, why are you changing your argument now? The only point I was making...which you just reinforced because you can't get any more neutral than counting words...is that 1/2/3 is a neutral starting point. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
Quote: The fact Wright is her maiden name, which, absent other evidence is a last name despite your claims to the contrary. You've repeatedly claimed that it's common for women in the US to make their maiden name their middle name, but provided no evidence this is more common than making it part of their last name. Also, the fact she was credited as Wright-Penn. Agreed...and I would include those facts in my contribution notes. For every initial contribution that you make with that name? For every other name which deviates from 1/2/3 as well? The contribution notes that I can see on initial contributions are much shorter normally as for example:
"All cast and crew taken directly from the disc as credited." Actually, this is a non-issue for me as I do not contribute cast and crew in an initial contribution. My initial contribution notes look like this: "New release. All data,except SRP, taken from the case. This is a Best Buy exclusive, so SRP taken from them. Full audit will be done once accepted." Beyond that, yes, I document any change I make that might cause some confusion. As I explained to VirusPil, when I changed the parsing of Lauren Shuler Donner, from 1/2/3 to 1/ /2 3, I documented the change based on another credit...Assistant to Ms Shuler Donner. I do my due diligence, or I keep the change local. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: Quoting Dr Pavlov:
Quote: And as I have said 1/2/3 is more neutral than any other. No, it isn't. You can repeat it as long as you wish. Actually, it is. With three fields and a three part name, placing one part in each field is fairly neutral. That would bring us back to word counting. We are over that for a long time and for many reasons. You never said it was word counting, and I never said it wasn't, so, why are you changing your argument now? The only point I was making...which you just reinforced because you can't get any more neutral than counting words...is that 1/2/3 is a neutral starting point. The rules specially tell us not to count words in many different cases. Why should we count words for double barrelled last names? The fields have labels and parsing the name according those labels makes sense in most cases. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: The rules specially tell us not to count words in many different cases. Why should we count words for double barrelled last names? The fields have labels and parsing the name according those labels makes sense in most cases. Once again, why are you changing your argument? The question was, is 1/2/3 a neutral starting point? You said it wasn't, and I explained why it is. The fact that you don't like counting words doesn't change that fact so, please, one discussion at a time. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
Quote: The fact Wright is her maiden name, which, absent other evidence is a last name despite your claims to the contrary. You've repeatedly claimed that it's common for women in the US to make their maiden name their middle name, but provided no evidence this is more common than making it part of their last name. Also, the fact she was credited as Wright-Penn. Agreed...and I would include those facts in my contribution notes. For every initial contribution that you make with that name? For every other name which deviates from 1/2/3 as well? The contribution notes that I can see on initial contributions are much shorter normally as for example:
"All cast and crew taken directly from the disc as credited." Actually, this is a non-issue for me as I do not contribute cast and crew in an initial contribution. My initial contribution notes look like this:
"New release. All data,except SRP, taken from the case. This is a Best Buy exclusive, so SRP taken from them. Full audit will be done once accepted."
Beyond that, yes, I document any change I make that might cause some confusion. As I explained to VirusPil, when I changed the parsing of Lauren Shuler Donner, from 1/2/3 to 1/ /2 3, I documented the change based on another credit...Assistant to Ms Shuler Donner. I do my due diligence, or I keep the change local. Ok then, what do you document, when you add a complete new cast list to a profile without any cast? Do you document every single credit which differs from simple word counting 1/2/3 (or 1//2 for that matter)? I usually say: "cast added according to the film credits." A different story is of course when I try to change the parsing of an existing credit. Then I go into details with my documentation (for 1/2/3 to 1//2 3 as well as for 1//2 3 to 1/2/3). |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: Beyond that, yes, I document any change I make that might cause some confusion. As I explained to VirusPil, when I changed the parsing of Lauren Shuler Donner, from 1/2/3 to 1/ /2 3, I documented the change based on another credit...Assistant to Ms Shuler Donner. I do my due diligence, or I keep the change local. Ok then, what do you document, when you add a complete new cast list to a profile without any cast? Do you document every single credit which differs from simple word counting 1/2/3 (or 1//2 for that matter)? I usually say: "cast added according to the film credits."
A different story is of course when I try to change the parsing of an existing credit. Then I go into details with my documentation (for 1/2/3 to 1//2 3 as well as for 1//2 3 to 1/2/3). Please try reading what I wrote as I already answered your question...I document any change I make that might cause some confusion...parsing 1/ 2 3, as this thread shows, can cause confusion so, yes, if I parse the name 1/ /2 3, I document it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: The rules specially tell us not to count words in many different cases. Why should we count words for double barrelled last names? The fields have labels and parsing the name according those labels makes sense in most cases. Once again, why are you changing your argument? The question was, is 1/2/3 a neutral starting point? You said it wasn't, and I explained why it is. The fact that you don't like counting words doesn't change that fact so, please, one discussion at a time. Ok then, IMO, the neutral starting point depends on the data seen in the credit and the background knowledge of the contributor. For something where the second word looks like a given name 1/2/3 is neutral and for something where the middle word looks like a family name 1//2 3 is more neutral than 1/2/3 (even though I know that some US women move their maiden name into their middle name. But in the complete picture 1//2 3 is more neutral when 2 is a family name. But whenever I add a credit to a profile (instead of changing it), I use my background knowledge to make an educated guess without needing to add a lengthy documentation of an extensive research about that name. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: Beyond that, yes, I document any change I make that might cause some confusion. As I explained to VirusPil, when I changed the parsing of Lauren Shuler Donner, from 1/2/3 to 1/ /2 3, I documented the change based on another credit...Assistant to Ms Shuler Donner. I do my due diligence, or I keep the change local. Ok then, what do you document, when you add a complete new cast list to a profile without any cast? Do you document every single credit which differs from simple word counting 1/2/3 (or 1//2 for that matter)? I usually say: "cast added according to the film credits."
A different story is of course when I try to change the parsing of an existing credit. Then I go into details with my documentation (for 1/2/3 to 1//2 3 as well as for 1//2 3 to 1/2/3). Please try reading what I wrote as I already answered your question...I document any change I make that might cause some confusion...parsing 1/ 2 3, as this thread shows, can cause confusion so, yes, if I parse the name 1/ /2 3, I document it. Can you show me one or better several contribution notes, where you have added a complete cast list to a profile without cast? I suspect that what you call something "that might couse some confusion" is subjective on your part. The same would be true for my contributions. For example I see no reason to document "Helena//Bonham Carter" when adding this credit (again changing would be different) because I don't expect any confusion here. |
| Registered: September 18, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,650 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote: I have sent an e-mail to the company that represents her (United Talent Agency) asking for clarification for a "piece I'm writing on here film career."
I'll report back when I get an answer. "Wright was incorporated into her surname for professional reasons." So that's that then. Robin // Wright Penn. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote: Quoting samuelrichardscott:
Quote: I have sent an e-mail to the company that represents her (United Talent Agency) asking for clarification for a "piece I'm writing on here film career."
I'll report back when I get an answer.
"Wright was incorporated into her surname for professional reasons."
So that's that then. Robin // Wright Penn. Thank you for doing that. It shouldn't have had to come to this, but thankfully you've put this to rest. Shall we all move over to the Thomas Haden Church thread now? | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan | | | Last edited: by m.cellophane |
| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,656 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: The rules specially tell us not to count words in many different cases. Why should we count words for double barrelled last names? The fields have labels and parsing the name according those labels makes sense in most cases. Once again, why are you changing your argument? The question was, is 1/2/3 a neutral starting point? You said it wasn't, and I explained why it is. The fact that you don't like counting words doesn't change that fact so, please, one discussion at a time. Ok then, IMO, the neutral starting point depends on the data seen in the credit and the background knowledge of the contributor. For something where the second word looks like a given name 1/2/3 is neutral and for something where the middle word looks like a family name 1//2 3 is more neutral than 1/2/3 (even though I know that some US women move their maiden name into their middle name. But in the complete picture 1//2 3 is more neutral when 2 is a family name.
But whenever I add a credit to a profile (instead of changing it), I use my background knowledge to make an educated guess without needing to add a lengthy documentation of an extensive research about that name. That means your GUESS, Rho. I am not interested in any of you undocumented guesses. Keep your guesses where they belong. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote: Quoting samuelrichardscott:
Quote: I have sent an e-mail to the company that represents her (United Talent Agency) asking for clarification for a "piece I'm writing on here film career."
I'll report back when I get an answer.
"Wright was incorporated into her surname for professional reasons."
So that's that then. Robin // Wright Penn. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: The rules specially tell us not to count words in many different cases. Why should we count words for double barrelled last names? The fields have labels and parsing the name according those labels makes sense in most cases. Once again, why are you changing your argument? The question was, is 1/2/3 a neutral starting point? You said it wasn't, and I explained why it is. The fact that you don't like counting words doesn't change that fact so, please, one discussion at a time. Ok then, IMO, the neutral starting point depends on the data seen in the credit and the background knowledge of the contributor. For something where the second word looks like a given name 1/2/3 is neutral and for something where the middle word looks like a family name 1//2 3 is more neutral than 1/2/3 (even though I know that some US women move their maiden name into their middle name. But in the complete picture 1//2 3 is more neutral when 2 is a family name.
But whenever I add a credit to a profile (instead of changing it), I use my background knowledge to make an educated guess without needing to add a lengthy documentation of an extensive research about that name. Your background knowledge (guess) has no relevance. Keep it where it belongs. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 906 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Ok then, IMO, the neutral starting point depends on the data seen in the credit and the background knowledge of the contributor. In my opinion, if you have to depend on the background knowledge of a contributor, the starting point isn't neutral. | | | The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity |
| Registered: September 18, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,650 |
| Posted: | | | | Personally, I prefer the 1/2/3 unless 2 is the maiden name. Then I prefer 1//23. Of course, it really is a first come first served submission basis unless we have had conclusive threads and I also agree one thread for confirmed 1//23's is a good idea (though I haven't got the patience to do it personally) |
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