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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote:
LOL, Alien, that's a joke, right. I never said nor would I presume to know twhether or not it is an issue with regards to his home laws.. But his home laws are not all that are at issue, he also has to consider US law. Technically if one is buying from some Distributor, even Amazon who are shipping R1 product overseas, this violates the law. What US law? Quote:
This is why we have Regions. No, we have regions so that the members of the DVD forum could stage releases of DVDs around the world in cases where the theatrical release in some regions was after the DVD release in others. pdf | | | Paul Francis
San Juan Capistrano, CA, USA |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote:
I'm sorry, but what are you? An idiot? Please, take the time to read all what I wrote, and then consider who is idiot... Useless to explain more. BTW, I suppose you are not among those who greened that post ???  | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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My understanding is there is no law on this issue. The movie companies have contracts that limit where each distributor can sell, but that's not the same thing.
Shouldn't that be "some major movie companies"? I know for a fact that there are many small production companies that are only too happy to sell their products all over the world I don't think Ace meant they wouldn't sell their product all over the world, just that they contract with distributors in those areas, and they can only distribute in those areas. In other words, they would use one company that was allowed to distribute in the US, and a different one for distribution in the UK. The US company could not sell in the UK, and vice versa. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
(...) I know some stores in Sweden tried to sell R1 titles, but were forced to stop. (...) Here several years ago a law has been created to generally disallow the distribution of foreign releases. This has put at least one local shop out of business which has been specialised to import R1 titles. Since then the law has been revised to again allow the distribution of imported releases under most circumstances. One exception is when the film has not yet been marketed locally in cinemas and on DVD but is likely to be marketed in a reasonable time frame. This has been set up as a compromise to protect local distributors and cinemas while not preventing the distribution of original releases to the consumer. But in most cases it is much cheaper for the consumer to directly import from a foreign distributor in the USA over the Internet than to shop in a local shop which officially imports the same title from the USA. Therefore said local shop would have been likely to go out of business anyway. But there are still other shops around which sell imported DVDs and today they are protected by the law. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
|   | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Berak:
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I'm sorry, but what are you? An idiot?
Please, take the time to read all what I wrote, and then consider who is idiot... Useless to explain more.
BTW, I suppose you are not among those who greened that post ??? You suppose correctly. And please quote the whole sentence when you quote me...  | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away!
True love conquers all! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,774 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote:
Space:
I hate to break it to you, but you are losing. Simply follow the Rules.If you don't believe it take a look at the hundreds and hundreds of Region 1 that use similar tittling, Lost, Desperate Housewives just to name two. I know Yves wants it, but users simply can't go running and doing whatever they please.
Skip Skip/Woola: Why do you talk about win or lose? This topic is about finding answers to rules, that are not a 100% clear. It is not a personal battlefield. And even after this thread is already derailed, I'm very happy that some other users on the first 8-9 pages were able to discuss and/or admit that this topic isn't clearly covered by the rules yet and that using the "hyphen" makes sense in special cases. And until Ken chooses to change the rules, the poll's outcome is pretty clear. | | | | Last edited: by SpaceFreakMicha |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote:
LOL, Alien, that's a joke, right. I never said nor would I presume to know twhether or not it is an issue with regards to his home laws.. But his home laws are not all that are at issue, he also has to consider US law. Technically if one is buying from some Distributor, even Amazon who are shipping R1 product overseas, this violates the law. ...
Skip What law? Please show us any US law that prohibits the sale, the buying, the owning, or the viewing of any DVD anywhere in the world. This is industry "law," not governmental law. How does a soldier stationed overseas acquire a DVD to view? How does any person buy a French wine outside of France? The fact is World Trade Organization (the US is a member) rules prohibit this type of trade restrictions and there are lawsuits pending to ban regional coding. I say your imagined law does not exist. Please prove me wrong. Show me the law of which you write. If such a law existed, it would ban Region 0 DVDs, and it would be easy (especially given the ease the RIAA gets US law enforcement to act on illegal music downloads) to stop the flow of multi-regional players (the ones like the one I own, which is not the result of a hack, but bought at Costco). Some of the most law-abiding people I know own and operate an import/export company. Most of what they import is dishes, and they export California rice to Japan (which they could not do until very recently, due to Japanese laws -- which now allow non-Japanese/Asian rice to be imported and legally sold and purchased). They have never encountered any prohibitions on importing DVDs or players. You seem to live in fear and foment fear. And you are shifting the discussion away from the topic at hand, revealing your lack of a good argument. | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff | | | | Last edited: by VibroCount |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
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Quoting Berak:
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I'm sorry, but what are you? An idiot?
Please, take the time to read all what I wrote, and then consider who is idiot... Useless to explain more.
BTW, I suppose you are not among those who greened that post ???
You suppose correctly.
And please quote the whole sentence when you quote me... The problem with you is that you hate me so much that when I post you do not try to understand what I wrote, but look for a reason to jump on me. I can quote a dozen of posts from you like that, the best one is when you called me "arrogant beyond belief" for daring to propose to share my gallery images. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote:
it is a violation of the law to purchase and ship most if not ALL R1 titles outside the country. Richie, for example, could come here and buy DVDs and take them with him home, but technically he would be in violation of US law if he purchased tthem from a US Distributor and had them shipped to the UK. It is not a violation of US law to ship R1 titles outside the country. Region coding is a matter of industry practice and not generally of law. In fact, there are some areas in which the sale of region coded material is a violation of local law as it is deemed a restriction on fair trade. So you are sort of backwards in your statement since region coding itself can be the violation rather than the other way around as you contend. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Berak:
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Quoting surfeur51:
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Quoting Berak:
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I'm sorry, but what are you? An idiot?
Please, take the time to read all what I wrote, and then consider who is idiot... Useless to explain more.
BTW, I suppose you are not among those who greened that post ???
You suppose correctly.
And please quote the whole sentence when you quote me...
The problem with you is that you hate me so much that when I post you do not try to understand what I wrote, but look for a reason to jump on me. I can quote a dozen of posts from you like that, the best one is when you called me "arrogant beyond belief" for daring to propose to share my gallery images. Are you a direct descendant of Nostradamus? Being able to tell how people you do not know feel about something certainly suggests so.  And why do you keep dragging up old cases? I never called you "arrogant beyond belief" for wanting to share your images - I called you arrogant for insisting on keeping the page French. When you changed it to English I commended you for the effort, but your selective memory seems to have omitted that fact. And feel free to quote any post you like, I am tired of your childish tactics and will go play with my 7-year old son instead of you. He gives me more mental challenge than you will ever do...  | | | Berak
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| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Wow it's really interesting how such discussions always get from one thing to another (laws, personnel argues, ...) which are off topic.  To come back to topic: Quoting Woola: Quote:
"I think "Snatch", that is YOUR personal preference ...
As this problem isn't ruled, this is what I and all other users, just can do. We just can say what is our opinion and what we think. Everybody who says something else, is thinking his opinion counts more than the opinion of another user.  So I pointed out, why I think it would be better in such cases to use another seperator than colon. I can agree with some other users, that this is similiar to the localized capitalization rules. If German users use a hyphon to seperate such things and American users use a colon, and perhaps users from other nations use totally different seperators, does this harm the quality of the database? If it's not ruled otherwise, I don't think so. In Germany there is a term "Gewohnheitsrecht", this means something like, if you do something often enough and nobody gets harmed, it gets normal. So if we're used to use hyphon as seperator this was getting normal, why changing? If in English spoken countries it's normal to use colon as seperator, why changing?  | | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am in favour of hyphens. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,744 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote:
THat only means you are getting away with it, it doesn't mean it is legal. If it were actually illegal, I am quite sure at least one DA in the US would have forbidden Amazon.com to ship R1 DVDs all over the world. | | | Karsten
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,678 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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My understanding is there is no law on this issue. The movie companies have contracts that limit where each distributor can sell, but that's not the same thing.
Shouldn't that be "some major movie companies"? I know for a fact that there are many small production companies that are only too happy to sell their products all over the world
I don't think Ace meant they wouldn't sell their product all over the world, just that they contract with distributors in those areas, and they can only distribute in those areas. In other words, they would use one company that was allowed to distribute in the US, and a different one for distribution in the UK. The US company could not sell in the UK, and vice versa. And what I meant was that there are a lot of smaller production companies that have no distributors in other countries, so they happily ship their products directly from the US to the world. So not all companies have such contracts, that's all I was trying to say. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 374 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
Skip's claim that there is a general law against selling R1 DVDs to customers outside the US is just BS and one can only wonder what is has to do with the issue in question? Nothing at all, it's his usual tactics to derail the discussion once he has no more ground to stand on. Not to mention that his first claim was that it is illegal for Europeans to own them, which would be BS² Only after he got that stuffed back into his throat he weasled back to the sale in the US and his also usual FUD that "they" simply don't do anything about it. cya, Mithi PS And oh, did I mentioned how magically he claims to new that the whole hypenated titles are a new thing? Isn't he hilarious? PSS Yes, I'm fully aware that I'm further derailing the thread, but there is only so much I can take silently, and the real matter at hand was discussed from all sides, now Ken/Gerri have to chime in otherwise we might go in circles ad infinitum | | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
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