So you want this to be FamilyTreeProfiler, surfeur. If that's the case then the documentation relative to Real names is going to have to get a whole lot better and more detailed, unless you are claiming to be the person credited and you therefore KNOW what your real name is.

Since this program is for Tv and Movies the ONLY relevant data is the credits and how they read, not how you imagine them to be or how you WANT them to appear, or using your crystal ball you are able to divine what someone's real name is.

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I don't care what the person's real name is one whit.  What I want is for all the different variations of that person's credits to show up when I search on him.  That's the point of having a database.  Having it full of a bunch of unlinked "accurate" information is stupid and useless. 

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Stop being obtuse. According to our Rules LEVAR=Levar, to argue anything else is utter stupidity.|

I am sorry, but that simply isn't true.  The rules say to use 'standard capitalization rules' when credits are in all caps.  For our rules to mean what you claim, they would have to say...

Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, enter the name in mixed case capitalizing the first letter of each name only.

Our rules, however do not say that.

    HUH? Unicus. Levar would be standard cap Rules.        

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I just asked the goddess of data this question. Using standard capitalization rules how woudl you translate, LEVAR guess what she said. I then ran through the rest of the possibilities and further asked her if any credit had any bearing on any other.

Why does she get it? Because her answers were all CORRECT simply based on the data as presented, which is all we are supposed to deal with. It is not hard to do, it is in fact exceedingly simple, for surfeur's benefit I also asked her about the FRANCOIS issue and guess what she got that one right too. She knows more about database design that i do and i consider myself pretty darn good at it. All of this is sooooo simple it is beyond belief and yet everybody wants to fight endlessly about EVERYTHING, that is the only part that I don't get. It is so simple a caveman could do it.

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I just asked the goddess of data this question. Using standard capitalization rules how woudl you translate, LEVAR guess what she said. I then ran through the rest of the possibilities and further asked her if any credit had any bearing on any other.

With all due respect to your wife, none of that matters...at least not to the rest of us as we have no point of reference.  This has nothing to do with data, and everything to do with 'standard capitalization rules'.  I have supplied an unbiased source for those rules nobod, and I mean NOBODY, has supplied anything, other than personal opinion, to counter those rule.

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Why does she get it? Because her answers were all CORRECT simply based on the data as presented, which is all we are supposed to deal with. It is not hard to do, it is in fact exceedingly simple, for surfeur's benefit I also asked her about the FRANCOIS issue and guess what she got that one right too. She knows more about database design that i do and i consider myself pretty darn good at it. All of this is sooooo simple it is beyond belief and yet everybody wants to fight endlessly about EVERYTHING, that is the only part that I don't get. It is so simple a caveman could do it.

Again, none of this matters.  We are not dealing with the data 'as presented'.  If we were, we would simply enter them in ALL CAPS.  We don't do that.  Instead, the rules direct us to use 'standard capitalization rules'.  Again, for the umpteenth time, I have provided and unbiased set of rules.  If you, or anybody else, can supply a set of rules counter them, I am willing to listen.  Until you do, it is all personal opinion.

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I have to add that, fortunately, this issue is fairly moot.  Since the program doesn't 'see' differences in capitalization, it really doesn't matter how the name is entered.  The only thing the program cares about is that the first letter, of each name, is capitalized.  I did some testing with Tim Allen...

When I upload tim allen, the program converts it to Tim Allen
When I upload tIM aLLEN, the program converts it to TIM ALLEN
When I upload tIm aLlEn, the program converts it to TIm ALlEn

As I said, the program only 'cares' that the first letter is capitalized, all the rest...doesn't matter at all.

Good to know.

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And when you download a new profile, even if the entry for him is TiM AlLeN, your local copy will not change.

Ken has always made his program allowing local preferences, and it is a very good thing. I hope all those automatic filters will never act on local database, so that we can have exact data as François or Jean-Paul, and no crap as Francois or Jean Paul...

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I don't know, if this has been mentioned yet, but I encountered a behaviour, which is probably not desired:

I have the existing credit:
William Wisher Jr. [William Wisher, Jr.]

On contributing it changes to
William Wisher, Jr. [William Wisher, Jr.]

Which is CommonName=CreditedAs.
So in this case, the CreditedAs field should be cleared.