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, an approval should not be taken as validation as Ken has stated that they will accept some bad data if the rest of the profile is correct

Well - in this case the only change made to the profile was to try and change the common name from "Kan" to Kan... 

So to claim an error from the screeners in this particular case is a bit far-fetched me thinks.... 

I never claimed it was an error in this case.  The post you quoted was a general statement in response to your sarcastic post.

My response to this case was, "...the screeners probably went with the 'no' votes that quoted the CLT results.  They aren't going to do the research themselves, so I don't blame them."

Things are looking up! Current CLT numbers:

Hiroshi Kan Ikeuchi: 6 titles  (5 different ones).
Hiroshi "Kan" Ikeuchi: 4 titles  (2 different ones).
Hiroshi Ikeuchi: 3 titles  (actually accurate).

So, still not entirely accurate, but certainly a huge improvement from the previously reported, woefully incorrect 17 titles (!) for what's actually the least-used name variant. Those that insisted on taking those obviously flawed numbers on face value can start fixing their incorrect entries right now.

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So, still not entirely accurate, but certainly a huge improvement from the previously reported...

Thanks for your work that helps to improve the online database... 

For the record:

"Hiroshi "Kan" Ikeuchi" is credited in 4 titles (33 profiles):
Aliens VS Predator 2
Monkeybone

"Hiroshi Kan Ikeuchi" is credited in 6 titles (18 profiles):
Earth Vs. the Spider (ninehours)
Seed of Chucky (Faggot and Addicted2DVD)
Nutty Professor II: The Klumps
Spider-Man 2 (Not a valid puppeteer credit because among the crew credits).

"Hiroshi Ikeuchi" is credited in 3 titles (25 profiles):
Zathura (DigitalGhost)
Santa Clause 3
The Green Mile (Not a valid puppeteer credit because among the crew credits) (ninehours)

And if we are searching for the real common name theese are the data, CTL results can change every day and we know that they can be untrustworthy (see Ken post).
Even if we are not forced to do this research I cant understand why someone want to ignore this data when they are available.

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What to YOUR standards...no thank you!

Not at all: just to the standards of the CLT, which you've been insisting you want to use for about a dozen pages of this thread. You're the one who's been insisting to take the CLT numbers on face value - I'm merely suggesting you practice what you preach. You wanted to go by the CLT numbers, so go by the CLT numbers. At least now they give the correct result.

For the record: I'm not the one responsible for this incredibly helpful bit of cleanup - does the phrase "assume nothing!" sound familiar to you at all, Skip? There again, maybe you should practice what you preach instead of firing off yet another personal attack at me, while I'm really nothing more than the messenger of good news here. If I was the one that fixed this, I'd be more than happy to take the credit. But it wasn't. I think I've made ONE update to ONE profile that has actually affected these numbers over the past few weeks. I just noticed that the CLT numbers have changed, and I thought I'd mention them here.

Again: those that insisted on taking the previously reported flawed numbers on face value will have to re-edit their profiles, and those that used the correct common name all along won't have to change a thing - as explained nicely by James on page eight. Just be glad that this one turned around in two weeks, while it could have easily taken two years.

Tim:

I am not personally attacking you. It is not6 I that says" extenseively researched and so forth", it is YOU, and then you refuse to provide the fruits of that research. That is what makes your worl so utterly and completely worthless. Notice I said the work...not YOU.

I am looking for ways to provide better detail and better communicationm, while you seem to be looking for ways to weaken both the data but your communication as well. Seeinf as how 99% of all the people in Hollywood are relatively unknown or are Crew personnel for which doc is difficult at best. To just go running around linking based on assumptions which have been created by a piece of software that these two names are similar, then you and/or others make the assumption that similar means the same without providing verification, is absurd and insane. Which of the dozens of john Williams are you dealing with, are you dealing with the well=known composer, the relatively well-known English actor or one of the others. I am saying that the CLT is even more worthless than it used to be, due in large part to the assumptions that not only being made but are being allowed to be made. All in the name of the almighty linking, which, Tim is your overarching touchstone. The problem is that you are creating a work of fictyion since you do not provide the supporting documentation, it is all too sad to see that you are neither concerned about the accuracy of the database, nor the  useability of said data to other users. As I have said Tim, repeatedly this will be proven in due course had I access in some sort of organized method to my collection at this time i would have alrteady been working on it, right now i can make one of two assumptions,,,that you are wrong, or that my data has been corrupted...right now i pick the assumption that favors YOY, andI really do hope that I discover that you are correct in everything you have done...except your refusal to document your work. But I can say that I am finding far m,ore variants in your data than i am comfortable...to the point that I really believe that when I have my liobrary here in the house again, I will find gross inaccuracies that have been caused by you, that are simply based on your many erran assumptions and not facts. I believe that you know this as well, it explains why you refuse to provide ANY of your documentation most of the time. I will continue to vote NO to such vague remarks as "Any common names as per the CLT." without providing any data, Tim I am not the only one who has voiced concerns over your behavior, I am merely the most vocal. I am about good data not CRAP.

I am sorry Tim, bit on this one technique of yours I vehemently disagree with everything that you are doing, and it is sad because it would be so easy for you to chosse to document your work , instead of expecting us to take your word for it on the your "research". I presume that you just have tyour hackles and simply refuse to work for the betterment of ALL users. I will continue to vote Yes, Tim, when your notes back up your work and vote NO when they do not...I will also continue to personally reject 98% of your Contributions because in my estimation your work cannot be trusted, you refuse to document it. this is not just true of you, Tim, you have set a fine example for other users to take the same sort of shortcuts, so the problem is getting worse and worse by the day. .

I will continue to set a far more positive example, onethat benefits the Community in documenting data and not simply guessing at it or making assumptions which are not documented. I keep hoping that one day you will see the errors that you are introducing and the error of your ways, and i wiill continu to be hopeful, but your attitude says that you won't andyour communication in your notes will get worse and worse, as I have said before you have convinced me that if ken would let you do it...your notes would simply say "Here it is" or even no notes at all.

Skip

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For the record:

"Hiroshi "Kan" Ikeuchi" is credited in 4 titles (33 profiles):
Aliens VS Predator 2
Monkeybone

"Hiroshi Kan Ikeuchi" is credited in 6 titles (18 profiles):
Earth Vs. the Spider (ninehours)
Seed of Chucky (Faggot and Addicted2DVD)
Nutty Professor II: The Klumps
Spider-Man 2 (Not a valid puppeteer credit because among the crew credits).

"Hiroshi Ikeuchi" is credited in 3 titles (25 profiles):
Zathura (DigitalGhost)
Santa Clause 3
The Green Mile (Not a valid puppeteer credit because among the crew credits) (ninehours)

And if we are searching for the real common name theese are the data, CTL results can change every day and we know that they can be untrustworthy (see Ken post).
Even if we are not forced to do this research I cant understand why someone want to ignore this data when they are available.

Kluge;
I, for one, have no problems accepting this. The CLT has changed since this thread was first started, and the common name has changed along with it.

This does not mean that my initial stance has changed one iota. At the time of the submission, the common name was not what it is now, and the only correct way to vote was NO. If you were to submit your change again now, however, I would vote YES, based on the CLT result. 

And to T!M, please do not lecture me about gloating in my posts as you did a few posts back, when you proceed to do exactly the same when the tides turn your way. You are pathetic! 

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For the record:

"Hiroshi "Kan" Ikeuchi" is credited in 4 titles (33 profiles):
Aliens VS Predator 2
Monkeybone

"Hiroshi Kan Ikeuchi" is credited in 6 titles (18 profiles):
Earth Vs. the Spider (ninehours)
Seed of Chucky (Faggot and Addicted2DVD)
Nutty Professor II: The Klumps
Spider-Man 2 (Not a valid puppeteer credit because among the crew credits).

"Hiroshi Ikeuchi" is credited in 3 titles (25 profiles):
Zathura (DigitalGhost)
Santa Clause 3
The Green Mile (Not a valid puppeteer credit because among the crew credits) (ninehours)

And if we are searching for the real common name theese are the data, CTL results can change every day and we know that they can be untrustworthy (see Ken post).
Even if we are not forced to do this research I cant understand why someone want to ignore this data when they are available.

Kluge;
I, for one, have no problems accepting this. The CLT has changed since this thread was first started, and the common name has changed along with it.

This does not mean that my initial stance has changed one iota. At the time of the submission, the common name was not what it is now, and the only correct way to vote was NO. If you were to submit your change again now, however, I would vote YES, based on the CLT result. 

And to T!M, please do not lecture me about gloating in my posts as you did a few posts back, when you proceed to do exactly the same when the tides turn your way. You are pathetic! 

I'm sorry Berak, but I'm afraid that the concept of "common name" is still unclear for you, or maybe you have some other reason that I don't understand.
The CTL result for this guy are still incorrect, i.e. "Hiroshi Kan Ikeuchi" is credited in 6 titles (18 profiles)
should be "Hiroshi Kan Ikeuchi" is credited in 4 titles (18 profiles), and this because the incorrect data showed in CLT results.
Also "Hiroshi "Kan" Ikeuchi" is credited in 4 titles (33 profiles) shold be "Hiroshi "Kan" Ikeuchi" is credited in 2 titles (33 profiles), because there is one title without the correct original title and another title that is wrong (because is a box set and the actor credits are not allowed in box set profiles).
And between the title in CLT results there are incorrect credits also...

When you only see the CLT results you could trust untrustworthy data, as Ken said.

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For the record:

"Hiroshi "Kan" Ikeuchi" is credited in 4 titles (33 profiles):
Aliens VS Predator 2
Monkeybone

"Hiroshi Kan Ikeuchi" is credited in 6 titles (18 profiles):
Earth Vs. the Spider (ninehours)
Seed of Chucky (Faggot and Addicted2DVD)
Nutty Professor II: The Klumps
Spider-Man 2 (Not a valid puppeteer credit because among the crew credits).

"Hiroshi Ikeuchi" is credited in 3 titles (25 profiles):
Zathura (DigitalGhost)
Santa Clause 3
The Green Mile (Not a valid puppeteer credit because among the crew credits) (ninehours)

And if we are searching for the real common name theese are the data, CTL results can change every day and we know that they can be untrustworthy (see Ken post).
Even if we are not forced to do this research I cant understand why someone want to ignore this data when they are available.

Kluge;
I, for one, have no problems accepting this. The CLT has changed since this thread was first started, and the common name has changed along with it.

This does not mean that my initial stance has changed one iota. At the time of the submission, the common name was not what it is now, and the only correct way to vote was NO. If you were to submit your change again now, however, I would vote YES, based on the CLT result. 

And to T!M, please do not lecture me about gloating in my posts as you did a few posts back, when you proceed to do exactly the same when the tides turn your way. You are pathetic! 

I'm sorry Berak, but I'm afraid that the concept of "common name" is still unclear for you, or maybe you have some other reason that I don't understand.
The CTL result for this guy are still incorrect, i.e. "Hiroshi Kan Ikeuchi" is credited in 6 titles (18 profiles)
should be "Hiroshi Kan Ikeuchi" is credited in 4 titles (18 profiles), and this because the incorrect data showed in CLT results.
Also "Hiroshi "Kan" Ikeuchi" is credited in 4 titles (33 profiles) shold be "Hiroshi "Kan" Ikeuchi" is credited in 2 titles (33 profiles), because there is one title without the correct original title and another title that is wrong (because is a box set and the actor credits are not allowed in box set profiles).
And between the title in CLT results there are incorrect credits also...

When you only see the CLT results you could trust untrustworthy data, as Ken said.

I don't think the concept of "Common Names" are unclear to me, no. We have different opinions in the matter, but that does not mean yours is the only right one...    I mistankenly thought the CLT now reflected what you and T!M has been advocating as common name - if this is not the case then my NO vote nedless to say would stand.
Until the CLT reflects a change in common name, and the profiles have been corrected by (presumably) people who own the actual discs, I am unwilling to accept someones interpretation of a common name based on "because I said so".

We have different opinions on the matter, and it should be left at that. I will not change my stance until a solid and clear-cut rule tell me different. I am at least under no circumstance going to be bullied by T!M into doing so, as he has proven time again that he cannot, under any circumstances, be trusted with his data.