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Parsing: Kate Bowes Renna |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Graveworm: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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Quoting antolod:
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Paraphrasing: Without clear cut evidence to the contrary, parse 1/2/3.
Here you put too much interpretation in her words. She specifically restricted this statement to this specific case.
Yes and there is plenty of clear cut evidence to the contrary here except some people in trying to win an argument would rather put the wrong name in.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
The documentation needed to change an initial contribution could be, when nothing better can be found, that the online database features a overhelming majority of one parsing over the other for a specific person. So we always could make the linking work even for the not well known crew names where other documenation could be difficult to find. You can't be serious. While the linking system, for whatever reason, does not ignore parsing, the CLT does. Using 'David Ogden Stiers' as an example, both 'David/Ogden/Stiers' and 'David/ /Ogden Stiers' come up when I enter the name in the CLT. Maybe you are willing to dig through 1114 profiles, to determine the most commonly parsed version, but I'm not.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting antolod:
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Paraphrasing: Without clear cut evidence to the contrary, parse 1/2/3.
Here you put too much interpretation in her words. She specifically restricted this statement to this specific case. Why would it be any different for the next case without clear cut evidence to the contrary?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | According to BFI, it is Kate//Bowes Renna. It's now documented and hopefully settled. Edit: Also FanMail.biz | | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
According to BFI, it is Kate//Bowes Renna. It's now documented and hopefully settled.
Edit: Also FanMail.biz Ace: Have you read this thread. That is old news and I have previously stated that it is the only documentation with any sort of credibility, I have also said that, for me, it is not enough, i prefer at least TWO independent sources, and I haven't been able to locate a second, nor apparently has anyone else. I have even commented ultimately how i might feel JUST a BFI source only, and I don't know. To your second source, based upon all the other available data available,I can't call that credible. Wowsers  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
According to BFI, it is Kate//Bowes Renna. You did note that I already supplied the BFI-link in the very first post of this thread, right? And you have seen that they have her listed as both "BOWES RENNA, Kate" and "RENNA, Kate Bowes"? So even that one source apparently isn't sure... | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | I didn't read most of thread because it seemed to be more name-calling. They list the Renna, Kate Bowes as a secondary, though. Also, a quick google search for bowes renna without kate shows other people with this last name. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
I didn't read most of thread because it seemed to be more name-calling. They list the Renna, Kate Bowes as a secondary, though. Also, a quick google search for bowes renna without kate shows other people with this last name. Precisely,Ace, so we have no clear cut answer, yet. Because this actress has virtually no resume, at this point in time. BFI is the sole credible source at this tiime and like i said I prefer at least one more, there is not enough there that would make me change it to 1//23, or accept such a change from another user.. My confidence in the available data is simpy not high enough. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
I didn't read most of thread because it seemed to be more name-calling. They list the Renna, Kate Bowes as a secondary, though. Also, a quick google search for bowes renna without kate shows other people with this last name. Precisely,Ace, so we have no clear cut answer, yet. Because this actress has virtually no resume, at this point in time. BFI is the sole credible source at this tiime and like i said I prefer at least one more, there is not enough there that would make me change it to 1//23, or accept such a change from another user.. My confidence in the available data is simpy not high enough. Other people with that name are not truly relevant, since they are separate individuals and could well handle their name in a different manner from the target, that's bringing an orange to an apple barrel. Would you conclude that my wife's last name is or must be Magly because she is my wife...if you would you would be wrong. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
I didn't read most of thread because it seemed to be more name-calling. They list the Renna, Kate Bowes as a secondary, though. Also, a quick google search for bowes renna without kate shows other people with this last name. Ace, all you had to do to find the BFI link was read the first post. What does that say? Hmmmmm That's caled a whoops.  Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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The documentation needed to change an initial contribution could be, when nothing better can be found, that the online database features a overhelming majority of one parsing over the other for a specific person. So we always could make the linking work even for the not well known crew names where other documenation could be difficult to find.
You can't be serious. While the linking system, for whatever reason, does not ignore parsing, the CLT does. Using 'David Ogden Stiers' as an example, both 'David/Ogden/Stiers' and 'David/ /Ogden Stiers' come up when I enter the name in the CLT. Maybe you are willing to dig through 1114 profiles, to determine the most commonly parsed version, but I'm not. So the CLT should be changed to ignore parsing. And then the linking system could be changed to ignore parsing as well. Both changes would be feasible, IMO relatively easily feasible. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 940 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting antolod:
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Paraphrasing: Without clear cut evidence to the contrary, parse 1/2/3.
Here you put too much interpretation in her words. She specifically restricted this statement to this specific case. Nice try, but the entire paragraph already said that. What I said was this is the closest thing we have to an official ruling on a starting point. Quote:
Although Gerri later posted she was referring to this particular case, this is the closest thing we have to an official ruling on a starting point. Paraphrasing: Without clear cut evidence to the contrary, parse 1/2/3. Certainly the later post from Gerri that she was refering to this case does not imply that in all other cases we're to parse a name 1//23. My memory is not photographic, but I seem to remember similar comments from Ken or Gerri in one or two other cases, each time supporting 1/2/3 unless there was clear cut evidence for 1//23 in other similar threads. I'm not going to search back for these. I really don't care which way this name is parsed. Actually, it looks to me like 1//23 is highly likely correct in this instance. My point was that as long as there is not a definitive standard for the entry of multi-part names, users from different cultural backgrounds will enter them differently due to that fact alone. So every time an unknown actor with 3 or more names is entered, some profiles will get 1/2/3 and others will get 1//23. How is this helpful to the online database? It the need to have a "correct" name, when there is no way to divine what that name should be, outweigh the benefit of having only 1 instance of this name in the system? If the unknown actor gets more work and becomes popular enough that more information becomes available, it won't take much work to document and correct the parsing once that information is found. | | | | Kevin |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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Quoting antolod:
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Paraphrasing: Without clear cut evidence to the contrary, parse 1/2/3.
Here you put too much interpretation in her words. She specifically restricted this statement to this specific case.
Why would it be any different for the next case without clear cut evidence to the contrary? Because Gerri told us so. Quoting Gerri Cole: Quote:
Agrare is correct. I was suggesting for this particular case only. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting antolod: Quote:
Certainly the later post from Gerri that she was refering to this case does not imply that in all other cases we're to parse a name 1//23. I did not suggest that. Every case is independent and there is no default. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
So the CLT should be changed to ignore parsing. And then the linking system could be changed to ignore parsing as well. Both changes would be feasible, IMO relatively easily feasible. Did you read my post? The CLT already ignores parsing. It is the program that doesn't. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Because Gerri told us so.
Quoting Gerri Cole:
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Agrare is correct. I was suggesting for this particular case only. And this is what Agrare said, that Gerri said was correct... "Now your just reading what you want to read. Re-read Gerri's post. She said "since there doesn't seem to be any clear cut evidence..." bolding by me. So obviously if there was clear cut evidence then it would be ok to put it in as 1//2 3 (though technically in that case it's only 1//2)" Gerri was letting surfeur51 know that this wasn't the standard for all 3 part names, just the ones with no clear cut evidence. Having that clarification apply to this one name only makes no sense. The more logical conclusion, when you consider the context, is that it would apply to all 3 part names where there wasn't any clear cut evidence. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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