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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Simple solution: Don't discuss this sort of this in a forum centred on the collection of DVDs. It's an inappropriate forum for this discussion IMO.
Take it somewhere where I won't have to read it; won't get offended and won't issue negatives. Everyone's happy.
And to make a point - if this topic had been about something that does not directly affect me I would still feel the same way. I just don't see what there is to gain by perpetuating a discussion that is so obviously offending people.
To continue simply adds insult to injury. I am sorry that you were offended, but I have to disagree with you. This forum, while on a site for a DVD program, is designated as a place to "Discuss anything and everything, within the bounds of the forum guidelines." | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Posts: 262 |
| | Posted: | | | | Pantheon, Quote:
Simple solution: Don't discuss this sort of this in a forum centred on the collection of DVDs. It's an inappropriate forum for this discussion IMO.
Take it somewhere where I won't have to read it; won't get offended and won't issue negatives. Everyone's happy.
And to make a point - if this topic had been about something that does not directly affect me I would still feel the same way. I just don't see what there is to gain by perpetuating a discussion that is so obviously offending people.
To continue simply adds insult to injury. This is a general discussion forum and therefore anything goes to a large degree and if you don't like that aspect of DVD Profiler then don't visit the general forum or don't click on threads that are related to politics - no one is forcing you to read anything. Second this issue was posted here initially by Rico so if you have a complaint about the subject being brought up take it to him. Lastly it sounds as if you think your entitled to shut up or muzzle those that you don't agree with because their views "offend you" - I'm not sure if you get the notion of free speech - you don't have a right NOT to be offended. I'm sure you'd be "happy" if you succeeded in censoring the views you don't agree with. If anytime someone was "offended" by a discussion we were all required to shutup to make that person comfortable nothing would ever be discussed. I certainly know a lot of Muslims would prefer everyone shutup whenever they are offended about discussions related to their faith - its an effective tactic for stifling debate. No one is forcing you to read this and if you can't participate without slinging red arrows and throwing hissy fits than perhaps you shouldn't. Brian |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 374 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbursiek: Quote:
I certainly know a lot of Muslims would prefer everyone shutup whenever they are offended about discussions related to their faith - its an effective tactic for stifling debate. No one is forcing you to read this and if you can't participate without slinging red arrows and throwing hissy fits than perhaps you shouldn't.
Brian WTF does this have to do with Muslims? A lot of Muslims? You know nothing my friend.  | | | | Last edited: by sugarjoe |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rico: Quote:
Yesterday on my daily 3 mile walk, which is mostly through tract homes, I noticed many political signs in home owners front lawns. Many signs were for Obama, somewhat fewer for McCain & two FOR prop. 8. Prop. 8 is highly controversial amendment in California, & I'm somewhat curious to see how forum members feel on this issue:
Vote 'FOR' Prop. 8 - Says marriage is between a man & women 'Gays' cannot marry in California.
Vote 'No' Prop. 8 - Gays can marry in California.
I'm casting my vote on Prop. 8 "NO" for many reasons.
This might make a better poll, not sure how to do so.
Rick
Edit - Non Californians & people from other countries feel free to chime in with your comments. I always thought you were from the east coast....  | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Don't discuss this sort of this in a forum centred on the collection of DVDs. It's an inappropriate forum for this discussion IMO. Not really, the "General Discussion" forum is for, well, general discussions. Anything not DVD related belongs here. ETA: Unicus beat me! (no whips!) | | | | Last edited: by Dr. Killpatient |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
You said 'those that oppose prop 8'. Sorry, but that statement is all inclusive. Only in your mind. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Posts: 262 |
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I'm also not someone who would rather perpetuate a cycle of hatred than let others live their lives how they want to Nobody even you allows people to live their lives the way they want to -- everyone imposes to one degree or another their views on others through their votes or support of laws that others oppose. The notion that anyone who disagrees with you is perpetuating a "cycle of hatred" is just another way of demonizing those that oppose you and dehumanizing them. I don't hate gays and any suggestion that I do is simply a way of marginilizing my thoughts and the thoughts of others on this thread. It makes it a lot easier to dismiss their opinions and positions. If people's sexuality is determined at birth and is so cut and dry then why do people like Anne Heche keep switching sides so to speak? Why do some people that considered themselves gay change their team later in life? I'm not saying I have all the answers or that I'm certain of everything in regards to this but the point I'm trying to make is that these are difficult issues and showing respect to the other side rather than dismissing them out of hand as hate mongers is not constructive or fair. Brian |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
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No, I'm afraid you are just plain confused. 
Ah, yes. The last resort. Can't attack the argument so we attack the person. Hypocritical, but not unexpected.  And again with the name calling!  And what is the difference between this and stating that ''You are confusing......"? I'll just wait for to see if Prop 8 passes and then see how long it takes to go to the USSC. That's all I'm really interested in. Cýa. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Posts: 262 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting sugarjoe: Quote:
WTF does this have to do with Muslims? A lot of Muslims? You know nothing my friend. Before you throw around putdowns about "how I know nothing" you certainly better ensure you have the ability to understand complex arguments. The reference to Muslims was their modern tactic of claiming offense at a myriad of things in the world and then demanding that others cease and desist any activity that may offend their faith. Whether it be cartoons, books, films, or even now videogames (see recent news about PS3 game) the Muslim grievance mongers are always on the lookout for anything they deem offensive and they back up their offense with the implied threat of violence in the form of riots, assasination threats, and the like. I was comparing their approach to that of Pantheon who was behaving similarly IMO regarding this debate. Many Muslims do subscribe to this muzzling of speech approach which you would know if you followed the news. There are many cartoons, works of "art", and books etc. which are offensive to Christians (me included) but no one cares whether Christians are offended - I'm quite sure Pantheon would not agree to tell an artist putting a crucifx in a jar of urine that he should not do so because he offended me. As it happens gay and lesbian people living in Muslim countries have far bigger problems than whehter they can legally marry since any openly gay people living in these countries are generally killed either by the state or by their fellow citizens. Leave the debates to the big boys who offer more than juvenile putdowns. Brian |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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No, I'm afraid you are just plain confused.
Ah, yes. The last resort. Can't attack the argument so we attack the person. Hypocritical, but not unexpected.
And again with the name calling! What name did I call you? I said your post was hypocritical...and you just demonstrated why it is. Thanks for that.  Quote:
And what is the difference between this and stating that ''You are confusing......"? Your arguments all center on what is acceptable behavior, not what is natural behavior. The only conclusion I can make is that you are confusing the two. That is not, however, the same as saying you are confused...though I don't expect you to understand the difference. Quote:
I'll just wait for to see if Prop 8 passes and then see how long it takes to go to the USSC.
That's all I'm really interested in.
Cýa. If that really was all you were interested in, you sure wasted a lot of time. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
If that really was all you were interested in, you sure wasted a lot of time. And I forgot to ask your permission!!!! So sorry. Your snide and condescending attitude has become a bore. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
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Quoting Unicus69:
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If that really was all you were interested in, you sure wasted a lot of time.
And I forgot to ask your permission!!!! Didn't think I said you had to. I was simply making an observation. I didn't realize that was against the forum rules...oh, wait. It isn't. Quote:
So sorry.
Your snide and condescending attitude has become a bore. Oh please. A bit of the pot and the kettle there. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
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Hal & Others
BTW Hal you still haven't addressed my point...were you BORN straight or did you choose that lifestyle?
I would be really interesting to get an answer from you Hal.
An answer would achieve nothing.
The views expressed in this forum will never be changed. It's a sad and simple fact.
When it comes down to it I know who I am.
I'm proud of who I am.
I'm also not someone who would rather perpetuate a cycle of hatred than let others live their lives how they want to.
I made my point.
A truly straight person would NEVER even contemplate having sex with a member of their own gender. It would never cross their minds because they are straight. They were born that way.
I, on the other hand, was born gay. I didn't wake up one day and think: I think I'll give being gay a try today....it might be fun to be persecuted and reviled for a while.
To quote Jerry Herman, I am what I am.
Live with it - I have to. I will not attack you for being gay, nor will I judge the lifestyle. I won't even deal with the idea of being "born" that way, except to say it's possible. I have yet to see any conclusive evidence p[ro or con to support either assertion of choice or born that way. Your being gay dose not change that you are a friend, but that is a separate issue from what I believe about gay marriage, ALL of the issues which have beenraised relative to gay marriage can be solved in any number of ways, at least here in the states. The faiith I was raised in teaches that the behavior aberrant, and yes even sinful, but that is way above my pay grade. I much prefer the conept of abhor the sin, love the sinner, after all we all are sinners somewhere along the way...numerous times. I will add that casting negative votes because you find sometything someone said generically offensive as opposed to PERSONALLY offensive shows a regrettable level of intolerance for the opinions of others, something which the gay community is famous for in the States and largely, I think, why they have the problems they have. They want everyone to be tolerant of them and their ideas, but then when someone expresses an opinion they don't like they attack the person. It's a two way street, my friend. I don't care what you do in your bedroom, and I suspect you don't care what i do in mine...and I wouldn't discuss it anyway. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: April 8, 2007 | | Posts: 1,057 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hal & Unicus - One could make the argument that 'man' is part of nature (not separate from nature) so by definition it's not possible to be un-natural or separate. Everything we do is natural because were part of nature. Tough concept, think about it a bit before you guys blast me. Acceptance of the acts that occur in nature is a diff subject.
Rick | | | If I felt any better I'd be sick!
Envy is mental theft. If you covet another mans possessions, then you should be willing to take on his responsibilities, heartaches, and troubles, along with his money. D. Koontz |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rico: Quote:
Hal & Unicus - One could make the argument that 'man' is part of nature (not separate from nature) so by definition it's not possible to be un-natural or separate. Everything we do is natural because were part of nature. Tough concept, think about it a bit before you guys blast me. Acceptance of the acts that occur in nature is a diff subject. You won't get blasted by me as it is an interesting concept. I do, however, agree with your final statement 100%. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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