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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting antolod: Quote: I really don't care which way this name is parsed. Actually, it looks to me like 1//23 is highly likely correct in this instance. My point was that as long as there is not a definitive standard for the entry of multi-part names, users from different cultural backgrounds will enter them differently due to that fact alone. So every time an unknown actor with 3 or more names is entered, some profiles will get 1/2/3 and others will get 1//23. How is this helpful to the online database? It the need to have a "correct" name, when there is no way to divine what that name should be, outweigh the benefit of having only 1 instance of this name in the system? If the unknown actor gets more work and becomes popular enough that more information becomes available, it won't take much work to document and correct the parsing once that information is found. Quoted for truth and way too much common sense. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
You can't be serious. While the linking system, for whatever reason, does not ignore parsing, the CLT does. Using 'David Ogden Stiers' as an example, both 'David/Ogden/Stiers' and 'David/ /Ogden Stiers' come up when I enter the name in the CLT. Maybe you are willing to dig through 1114 profiles, to determine the most commonly parsed version, but I'm not. Just out of curiosity. Am I the only one who uses Credit Lookup Plus? With that tool it was very fast and easy to figure out that: David/Ogden stiers: Titles/Profiles (1/1) David/Ogden Stiers: Titles/Profiles (113/183) David/Ogden/Stiers: Titles/Profiles (433/928) David Ogden Stiers: Titles/Profiles (1/1) David Ogden/Stiers: Titles/Profiles (3/3) David/Ogden/Stiers (1942): Titles/Profiles (1/1) David/Ogden Stiers (1942): Titles/Profiles (2/2) EDIT: And correct line for endless Danny DeVito debates, with the same tool: Danny/Devito: Titles/Profiles (2/2) Danny/DeVito: Titles/Profiles (376/1759) Danny DeVito: Titles/Profiles (1/1) Danny/DeVito (1944): Titles/Profiles (5/5) | | | Last edited: by Kulju |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: Because Gerri told us so.
Quoting Gerri Cole:
Quote: Agrare is correct. I was suggesting for this particular case only. And this is what Agrare said, that Gerri said was correct...
"Now your just reading what you want to read. Re-read Gerri's post. She said "since there doesn't seem to be any clear cut evidence..."
bolding by me. So obviously if there was clear cut evidence then it would be ok to put it in as 1//2 3 (though technically in that case it's only 1//2)"
Gerri was letting surfeur51 know that this wasn't the standard for all 3 part names, just the ones with no clear cut evidence. Having that clarification apply to this one name only makes no sense. The more logical conclusion, when you consider the context, is that it would apply to all 3 part names where there wasn't any clear cut evidence. I do not agree that Gerri has said that whenever there is no clear cut evidence we should parse three part name as 1/2/3. I'm convinced that she would go for 1//2 3 for the hypothetical name "Peter Smith Smythe" even without clear cut evidence. |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | What we do without clear evidence is irrelevant. We do have clear, if inconclusive, evidence in this case. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: I do not agree that Gerri has said that whenever there is no clear cut evidence we should parse three part name as 1/2/3. I'm convinced that she would go for 1//2 3 for the hypothetical name "Peter Smith Smythe" even without clear cut evidence. Based on what? The fact that 'Smith' sounds like a family name? I don't know what she has said that would convince you of that. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: What we do without clear evidence is irrelevant. We do have clear, if inconclusive, evidence in this case. No doubt, but we are not talking about this particular case anymore. We are talking about what to do if there is no evidence...in general. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: I do not agree that Gerri has said that whenever there is no clear cut evidence we should parse three part name as 1/2/3. I'm convinced that she would go for 1//2 3 for the hypothetical name "Peter Smith Smythe" even without clear cut evidence. Based on what? The fact that 'Smith' sounds like a family name? I don't know what she has said that would convince you of that. I agree with that, martian. Oh well iam goinng to do it `1//23 because I think it sounds like a family name...that's brilliant documentation and an absolutely sure way to get bad data. Use a sensible start point, as explained 1/2/3 being the most neutral, and anything outside of that has to be documented...even for initial Contributions. Data which is NOT documented should either be declined or returned to 1/2/3 pending documentation. It the simplest path 1//23 should be the easiest to document most of the time. Skip Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: I agree with that, martian. Oh well iam goinng to do it `1//23 because I think it sounds like a family name...that's brilliant documentation and an absolutely sure way to get bad data. Use a sensible start point, as explained 1/2/3 being the most neutral, and anything outside of that has to be documented...even for initial Contributions. Data which is NOT documented should either be declined or returned to 1/2/3 pending documentation. It the simplest path 1//23 should be the easiest to document most of the time. How does bad data factor in? Without any evidence one way or the other, either way has a good chance of being wrong. Unless people guessing actually do worse than chance, always entering 1/2/3 would result in more bad data than people giving it their best guess. | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: Quoting Dr Pavlov:
Quote: I agree with that, martian. Oh well iam goinng to do it `1//23 because I think it sounds like a family name...that's brilliant documentation and an absolutely sure way to get bad data. Use a sensible start point, as explained 1/2/3 being the most neutral, and anything outside of that has to be documented...even for initial Contributions. Data which is NOT documented should either be declined or returned to 1/2/3 pending documentation. It the simplest path 1//23 should be the easiest to document most of the time.
How does bad data factor in? Without any evidence one way or the other, either way has a good chance of being wrong. Unless people guessing actually do worse than chance, always entering 1/2/3 would result in more bad data than people giving it their best guess. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 810 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
Quote: Quoting Dr Pavlov:
Quote: I agree with that, martian. Oh well iam goinng to do it `1//23 because I think it sounds like a family name...that's brilliant documentation and an absolutely sure way to get bad data. Use a sensible start point, as explained 1/2/3 being the most neutral, and anything outside of that has to be documented...even for initial Contributions. Data which is NOT documented should either be declined or returned to 1/2/3 pending documentation. It the simplest path 1//23 should be the easiest to document most of the time.
How does bad data factor in? Without any evidence one way or the other, either way has a good chance of being wrong. Unless people guessing actually do worse than chance, always entering 1/2/3 would result in more bad data than people giving it their best guess. pdf | | | Paul Francis San Juan Capistrano, CA, USA |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | ROFL, I'll see your and raise you Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: I do not agree that Gerri has said that whenever there is no clear cut evidence we should parse three part name as 1/2/3. I'm convinced that she would go for 1//2 3 for the hypothetical name "Peter Smith Smythe" even without clear cut evidence. Based on what? The fact that 'Smith' sounds like a family name? I don't know what she has said that would convince you of that. Yes, based on the fact that 'Smith' sounds like a family name and that 'Peter' is a male name, therefore 'Smith' is probably not his maiden name. But in fact we don't know for sure. But Peter//Smith Smythe is IMO (and I guess also in Gerri's opinion) much more probable than Peter/Smith/Smythe. At least Gerri said nothing which makes me believe that she would do otherwise. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
I agree with that, martian. Oh well iam goinng to do it `1//23 because I think it sounds like a family name...that's brilliant documentation and an absolutely sure way to get bad data. Use a sensible start point, as explained 1/2/3 being the most neutral, and anything outside of that has to be documented...even for initial Contributions. As has been stated many times, there is no default given by the rules or Invelos including Gerri and 1/2/3 is not neutral. And initial contributions still need no documentation for parsing. A general 'taken credits from the film on the disc' is enough documentation for every credit in an initial contribution. |
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Registered: May 8, 2007 | Posts: 823 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote: Just out of curiosity. Am I the only one who uses Credit Lookup Plus? Why not link it? I have no idea what "credit lookup plus" is. Maybe people don't use it because they don't know about it. If I were to post something like that, I wouldn't even think of doing it without hotlinking it so people who don't know what it is can see specifically what it is that I'm talking about. | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,805 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote: Quoting Kulju:
Quote: Just out of curiosity. Am I the only one who uses Credit Lookup Plus?
Why not link it? I have no idea what "credit lookup plus" is. Maybe people don't use it because they don't know about it. If I were to post something like that, I wouldn't even think of doing it without hotlinking it so people who don't know what it is can see specifically what it is that I'm talking about. After reading that post, I did a search. I just bumped the original thread which can be found here: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=390788 Unfortunately, it was originally designed and posted by goodguy, and we all know what happened with him (he left, for anyone that doesn't actually know ) and he took all his plugins and links to programs with him. I posted in that thread to see if anyone still has the program (if it was downloadable, since it doesn't actually work with your local, but the CLT system) and if they could send it to me if they do. Looks like a great resource. | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
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Registered: May 8, 2007 | Posts: 823 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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