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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
So the US has no "intent" laws?
A person can freely plan a murder or a robbery and the police can't do anything until the actual act is committed? That sounds ridiculous! I would be interested to see how an 'intent' law would work. Just because I planned a robbery or a murder, doesn't mean I would actually carry out that plan. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
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Unfortunately, as has often been pointed out, it is not the responsibility of police to protect individuals or individuals' property.
No?
Who are they protecting then? Just because there is a motto on a door doesn't make it true. But like you there are a lot of US citizens that feel better seeing it on the door. |
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| Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Generally corect, unless it falls into the category which we call conspiracy. Hpwever, those are usually special cases. Intent to commit a crime is not a crime in and of itself, how could it be, I could go out in the morning with the intent tokill someone or rob a bank but the time I got there I might change my mind, we don't do thought crime...yet.
Skip No we leave that to the Europeans... LOL  |
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| Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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So the US has no "intent" laws?
A person can freely plan a murder or a robbery and the police can't do anything until the actual act is committed? That sounds ridiculous!
I would be interested to see how an 'intent' law would work. Just because I planned a robbery or a murder, doesn't mean I would actually carry out that plan. Unicus, Just make sure that no one else is involved. If there is more than one person it is conspiracy to commit and that is a crime.  |
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| Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | I love the way so many posters know little or nothing about the American judicial system and still want to explain it. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lord Of The Sith: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Generally corect, unless it falls into the category which we call conspiracy. Hpwever, those are usually special cases. Intent to commit a crime is not a crime in and of itself, how could it be, I could go out in the morning with the intent tokill someone or rob a bank but the time I got there I might change my mind, we don't do thought crime...yet.
Skip
No we leave that to the Europeans... LOL Tell this to the people in Guantanamo | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Gitmo is a totally separate issue and on that SCOTUS was wrong. They are enemy combatants, worse yet they are terrorists in that they fly no flag and wear no uniform and as suchj are NOT subject to the Rules of the Geneva Convention. Tell it to the people who were victims of the 50 combatants that upon release returned to combat, engaged in the more killing and were subsequently killed. Eseentially POWs remain imprisoned for the duration of the conflict PERIOD, just as we did with bothJapanese and german POWs in WWII. At the end of the conflict they were released. Ask me if my heart bleeds for those prisoners...it does NOT, they picked up arms against coalition troops and are enjoying a safe, well-fed life while in detention.
What will ultimately happen as a result of all this legal silliness. is that combatants will "try to escape" and will be shot on the battlefield instead of captured.<shrugs>
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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So the US has no "intent" laws?
A person can freely plan a murder or a robbery and the police can't do anything until the actual act is committed? That sounds ridiculous!
I would be interested to see how an 'intent' law would work. Just because I planned a robbery or a murder, doesn't mean I would actually carry out that plan. It's called a thought crime, Unicus. see 1984 and Brave New World. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 374 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
... and are enjoying a safe, well-fed life while in detention.
You just can't be serious.  | | | | Last edited: by sugarjoe |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Gitmo is a totally separate issue and on that SCOTUS was wrong. They are enemy combatants, worse yet they are terrorists in that they fly no flag and wear no uniform and as suchj are NOT subject to the Rules of the Geneva Convention. Tell it to the people who were victims of the 50 combatants that upon release returned to combat, engaged in the more killing and were subsequently killed. Eseentially POWs remain imprisoned for the duration of the conflict PERIOD, just as we did with bothJapanese and german POWs in WWII. At the end of the conflict they were released. Ask me if my heart bleeds for those prisoners...it does NOT, they picked up arms against coalition troops and are enjoying a safe, well-fed life while in detention.
What will ultimately happen as a result of all this legal silliness. is that combatants will "try to escape" and will be shot on the battlefield instead of captured.<shrugs>
Skip Its none of my business, but in my opinion if you're gonna call it a war, and you capture people in said war, then they are POWs. This "enemy combatant" stuff is the lawyerly version of attempting to have your cake and eat it too. Had we not tried to get all cute about it and just played by the long established rules, SCOTUS would have never weighed in. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,627 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
They are enemy combatants, worse yet they are terrorists in that they fly no flag and wear no uniform and as suchj are NOT subject to the Rules of the Geneva Convention. So, guilty until proven innocent? If they are not covered by the Geneva Convention then they must be criminals, and as such have the right to be considered innocent until found guilty in a court of law. But the US wants to invent a "no mans land" where they are neither military nor criminals and can be treated without any rights at all. "They are terrorists, and therefore they don't deserve a trial" seems to be the thinking. That seems to be the same mob mentality that sometimes ruled the wild west - "He's a horse thief. We don't waste trials on horse thiefs, we hang them". (Or in more modern context, "We don't waste trials on burglars, we shoot them"...  ) | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sorry, gang, you woill get NO SYMPATHY from me regarding the Gitmo prisoners. What many of you don't understand is all their legal posturing that we get suckered into, is all part of their strategy to use or laws and our "morality" against us, quite successfully in far too many areas...not just Gitmo.
While I live thius country will NEVER become part their new caliphate, Europe maybe they are certainly headed down the primrose path, but the US...NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hostile...you bet. Unfortunately I am too old to go fight, but if they try to bring it back here, they will deal with me and several million more...I am not ALONE. I saw first-hand what their cowardly attack wrought on the Pentagon. There are those in this country, like Europe, who want to appease and forget. I will NEVER forget, nor will I grant them ANY quarter of any kind.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lord Of The Sith: Quote:
Again Pauls thanks for the red arrow for disagreeing with you. It shows you still haven't changed. Thanks for the charming comment.  I didn't give you a red arrow I don't for people disagreeing with me. So what excatly have I not changed from - someone who makes snap and rude comments perhaps? Like you perhaps? and no, I didn't even give you a red arrow for your insulting comment to me. | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Sorry, gang, you woill get NO SYMPATHY from me regarding the Gitmo prisoners. What many of you don't understand is all their legal posturing that we get suckered into, is all part of their strategy to use or laws and our "morality" against us, quite successfully in far too many areas...not just Gitmo.
While I live thius country will NEVER become part their new caliphate, Europe maybe they are certainly headed down the primrose path, but the US...NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hostile...you bet. Unfortunately I am too old to go fight, but if they try to bring it back here, they will deal with me and several million more...I am not ALONE. I saw first-hand what their cowardly attack wrought on the Pentagon. There are those in this country, like Europe, who want to appease and forget. I will NEVER forget, nor will I grant them ANY quarter of any kind.
Skip Like General Norman Schwartzkopf so elegantly put it; "I believe that forgiving them is God's function. Our job is simply to arrange the meeting."  | | | Berak
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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So the US has no "intent" laws?
A person can freely plan a murder or a robbery and the police can't do anything until the actual act is committed? That sounds ridiculous!
I would be interested to see how an 'intent' law would work. Just because I planned a robbery or a murder, doesn't mean I would actually carry out that plan. in the UK, people are arrested before they try and commit a murder if the authorities become aware. Thank goodness I don't live in America if its the job of the police to ride around in their cars eating buns until after someone has been killed. | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
in the UK, people are arrested before they try and commit a murder if the authorities become aware. Thank goodness I don't live in America if its the job of the police to ride around in their cars eating buns until after someone has been killed. So, in the UK, if I was overheard as saying "I could just Kill so-and-so", someone could inform the police and I would then be arrested for attempted murder or conspiracy to commit murder?  | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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