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| Registered: March 21, 2007 |  Posts: 171 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Darxon: Quote:
Which, IMO, is one of the major problems western culture and civilization is facing regarding the integration of foreign traditions, cultures, religion and people of different cultural background and faith into our midst:
Where do you draw the line regarding acceptable behavior and intolerable misconduct?
IMO, whoever wants to go to another country, for whatever reason, has better make damn sure they're willing to adapt to the spoken language, the traditions and culture present in said country. If you don't like it, go someplace else, the world's big enough to find something more acceptable I'm sure.
The following is the population makeup of Canada: British Isles origin 28%, French origin 23%, other European 15%, Amerindian 2%, other, mostly Asian, African, Arab 6%, mixed background 26% Canada as a whole doesn't make demands on anyone, as long as our laws are obeyed. Other than that, we don't ask anyone to conform, as there never has been anything specific to conform to. We have a truly diversified society. I think Canada is a richer place to live in because of its diversification. It is a safe place to live. There is certainly far less social unrest here than the majority of places in the world. Perhaps we are doing it right. | | | | Graham |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 742 |
| | Posted: | | | | Maybe so. Perhaps I'll come someday, too  | | | | Lutz |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 460 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip
I am almost afraid to say this because before I know it I am a right wing fascist or something, but you've hit the nail right on the head! | | | | Jean-Paul |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 |  Posts: 262 |
| | Posted: | | | | Iran Warns Netherlands Not to Air Controversial 'Anti-Muslim' Film
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324406,00.html
Deejay mentioned this film a few days ago.
This is exactly the kind of intimidation we've been talking about. They (the Iranians in this case andf Muslims more generally) don't get it! The government of Holland is not responsible for the conduct of their citizens in the realm of free expression. They seem to believe as they did in the cartoons case that they simply contact the government and tell them to repress their people and that's that.
Sorry Iran -- in the west we have individual rights and democracy -- our governments can't simply order their citizens to knock it off with the criticizing of Muslims or their beliefs.
Brian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 460 |
| | Posted: | | | | Exactly
Ahmed Salman Rusdie was/is going to be/should be punished for his book `The Satanic Verses` and not the government of the UK?
Anyway I don't agree with Wilders but who does Iran think they are to tell us what we can or cannot do? Are they listening or willing to listen to the UN and/or the IAEA? | | | | Jean-Paul |
| | Registered: March 21, 2007 | | Posts: 171 |
| | Posted: | | | | Whenever Iran, or some other group, or an individual says something as they have with this warning, I think it is far better to ignore them. Nothing hurts them more than being ignored. I mean really, they are just posturing, and too many of us seem to care. I for one don't. | | | | Graham | | | | Last edited: by FUBAR |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | That's a bit too general. For instance, I think it is wise in this case for the Dutch government to prepare evacuation schemes for the Dutch embassy in Teheran, if only to prevent needless loss of life. That's something any responsible government will do, rather than just ignoring very real threats (you remember what happened to the US embassy there during the Carter administration, don't you?).
Giving in to ludicrous demands like these is a different affair altogether. That is simply not on.
@ Jean-Paul: I think neither Salman Rushdie nor the UK government ought to be "punished" for anything, not only because the UK has freedom of speech, but also because freedom of religion also implies the freedom to give up your religion. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 742 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FUBAR: Quote:
Whenever Iran, or some other group, or an individual says something as they have with this warning, I think it is far better to ignore them. Nothing hurts them more than being ignored. I mean really, they are just posturing, and too many of us seem to care. I for one don't. The problem with ignoring such demands is that while western nations might just return to their day to day business, as sure as the sun rises there WILL be some dumb ass fanatics acting on their presumedly hurt "feelings" (or whatever) in a (to their understanding) justified and fairly warned way (the Danish Mohammed cartoons have been mentioned several times in this thread already). So, while I agree ignoring such blabber to be the rational and called for action under normal circumstances, past events have sadly shown that such controversy is usually blown out of proportion and misused by fanatic elements of the Muslim world to pose a serious threat to others. | | | | Lutz |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | One thing to realize, the most honest people in the world are dictators, they can be, because they know that no one will listen to what they are saying and they will tell you exactly what they plan to do. IF the world had paid attention to what Hitler was saying in the late 30's, World War II MIGHT have been avoided, instead we got Neville Chamberlain who sold out the entire European Community because he thought he could TALK to the man. There is but one thing you can do with a mad dog, 4-legged or 2-legged.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 21, 2007 | | Posts: 171 |
| | Posted: | | | | To: dee59jay
What other demands do they want other than the film not be shown? I have to admit I am not up on this particular issue in the Netherlands.
The lead in for the story from Fox was: A senior Iranian lawmaker warned the Netherlands on Monday not to allow the screening of what it called an anti-Islamic film produced by a Dutch politician, claiming it "reflects insulting views about the Holy Koran."
I can imagine how upsetting this kind of thing would be to people of the Islamic faith. I would expect should an Iranian politician produce a film that insulted the Bible's teachings that there would be many politicians throughout the world denouncing it and making similar demands albeit without the threats that have been implied here. | | | | Graham |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Therein lies the difference, Graham. The threats. Islamists are trying with some measure of success using our laws and our Constitution to try and remake America in THEIR image. They are demading Shereia Law be followed in UK, the German courts have acceded to their demands for Shereia Law relative to their own "Community". In short, they don't want to Germans who happen to be Muslim, they want to be Muslims who happen to be living in Germany. The entire world is under threat from these and I fear that there are too few that really see the danger.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,136 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
World War II MIGHT have been avoided, instead we got Neville Chamberlain who sold out the entire European Community because he thought he could TALK to the man. There are some that say (or rather as this comes from my Grand Father, said) that the time they took to talk allowed the UK to build up it's defences. World War II was an almost dead cert to happen... but by stalling a few months.... maybe allowed it to be a war that was "won" (War... generally is not a winning game) Oh, just for ref. my Grand Father, Major, Britsh Army, Royal Engineers, served at Dunkirk (and never really told me much about that... just "not done, old chap"), served in Afganistan, served in India... then served in MOD (so "knew" a few things) and told me that a few months makes a lifetime. He died a few years back... and I wish we had talked more. Politics.... is war without guns... or at least it should be | | | Signature? We don't need no stinking... hang on, this has been done... blast [oooh now in Widescreen]
Ah... well you see.... I thought I'd say something more interesting... but cannot think of anything..... oh well
And to those of you who have disabled viewing of these signature files "hello" (or not) Registered: July 27, 2004 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 460 |
| | Posted: | | | | The point I tried to make was the Ahmed Salman Rushdie like Wilders did something and now the Dutch government is being 'threatend' instead of the person.
I agree neither should be punished, not a government or a writer.
It is just total BC that Iran actually thinks they will be heard. Who do they think they are? They still torture and kill Iran civilians who do not agree with the governement.
The Iranian lawmaker 'warned'. That is exactly the word which could cause major havoc in Iran at the Dutch embassy, and possibly other Dutch embassies in the Middle-East. Maybe there will be same demands it is would be the other way around, but 1. it probably wouldn't matter and 2. the West wouldn't do anything about it. The West wouldn't start a 'fatwa' or something? Embassies wouldn't be a threatend by bombs or whatsoever. This could very well be the case in the Middle East. | | | | Jean-Paul |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FunkyLA: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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World War II MIGHT have been avoided, instead we got Neville Chamberlain who sold out the entire European Community because he thought he could TALK to the man.
There are some that say (or rather as this comes from my Grand Father, said) that the time they took to talk allowed the UK to build up it's defences. World War II was an almost dead cert to happen... but by stalling a few months.... maybe allowed it to be a war that was "won" (War... generally is not a winning game)
Not sure if we can blame NC for everything, he was made a scapegoat for a lot of Baldwins mistakes. NC isn't blameless, lying to Parliament and ignoring the Third Reich build-up, even in the interests of trying to avoid a war, are inexcusable. Funky is right about the benefits made during this 'talking' process, major development of the spitfires and hurricanes, pilot training and the upgrading of radar defences around UK, helped us win the Battle of Britain, which was a crucial factor in determining the outcome of WW2 | | |  | | | | Last edited: by hayley taylor |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | @ FUBAR:
So far no other demands have been voiced. Which doesn't mean there won't be more once the film in question has been aired.
When I was talking about "ludicrous demands like these", I was talking in more general terms, i.e. not limited to this single incident. It is simply unacceptable that some bearded men in the Middle East get to decide what can be shown on TV, in an exhibition, in a theatre etc. in a Western country - or in any country other than their own, for that matter.
BTW: Wilders has now announced he needs a couple of weeks more before he will have finished his film. | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting richierich: Quote:
Funky is right about the benefits made during this 'talking' process, major development of the spitfires and hurricanes, pilot training and the upgrading of radar defences around UK, helped us win the Battle of Britain, which was a crucial factor in determining the outcome of WW2 But don't forget that this "talking" process allowed Germany to beef up its armament, too. I was always taught that at the time Hitler began rattling his sabres his army wasn't yet equal with that of the British and French. Had they taken him on earlier, the result might have been different. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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