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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote:
Perhaps I'm a little confused about it as well.
I thought the definitions were the following.
Slip Case: What was previously considered a Box Set. A heavier gage paper (or other material) that houses individual DVD cases or in the case of Alien Quadrilogy the entire Digipack.
Slip Cover: A thinner gage cover that slides over an individual DVD case, usually used for movies. Such as used on The Running Man or King Kong: Deluxe Edition. I don't recall any definition like this, and why would we want to complicate matters in this way. If it has a cardboard case that the inner case(s) slides into, it's a "slip cover". Keep it simple. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Also, Hal's example is wrong. Season 10 of Stargate would have the master profile showing a "slip case" because it is the outer box that holds the thinpaks. Each child would indicate case type with "thinpak". There is no slip cover involved in that unit. That's your opinion. Ken specifically asked about the case type for boxsets if "slip cover" were implemented. He implied that the parent really doesn't have a "case type" and I agree. Trying to differentiate a "slip case" and a "slip cover" over complicates matters. Who cares if there is one opening or two? "Slip Cover" works for both, so keep it simple. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | On a rethink I am starting to come down on Hal's side with this... especially as otherwise people who don't use child profiles within a TV series (which are totally optional) seem to be losing content.
Personally my main hope is that the Rules are fully and clearly updated to cover it ASAP... and preferably when a new feature comes in in the future the rules changed to reflect it at launch time. | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong | | | | Last edited: by Voltaire53 |
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | On a related note, I'm curious about people's opinion on Digipaks. It looks like every digipak I own has a slip cover. If that is indeed a universal characteristic of the digipak, should we be checking the Slip Cover box or not? My first thought was No, but now I'm seeing contributions for Digipaks with the Slip Cover box checked. Since logic occasionally fails me, I thought I'd ask before I vote on these.  | | | | "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world because they'd never expect it." - Jack Handey |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Posts: 55 |
| | Posted: | | | | You can get digipaks without a slip cover, I have a couple that just fold up without anything to keep them together, so it might be useful to differentiate between those contained in something and those without. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | Still somewhat confused by this.
I would think that a Slip Case would be a box like case that houses individual cases. Such as The Jurassic Park Trilogy, MacGyver Season sets, Family Guy season sets, American Wedding Gift Set, The Lord of the Rings: 4 disc Extended Editions.
A slip cover would be a thin cover that slides over the case. Usually the slip cover matches the rear cover art of the case it covers. Examples: Hitch, Monster House, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang Special Edition.
However, I don't know how to profile something like the recent releases from Fox, such as the Special Edition of Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea. It looks like a box(slip case), but matches the dvd case almost 100%. Plus instead of sliding over the case, the DVD slides into the side of the case/cover.
Perhaps an update to the thread about case types is in order, with examples of both Slip Case and Slip Cover. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
@ Achim:
A Skip Case? Now there's a Freudian one!
Never thought Skip would end up having his own case type...   ...and I believe this was the second time I made that exact same typo with less than two weeks. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Posts: 55 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote:
However, I don't know how to profile something like the recent releases from Fox, such as the Special Edition of Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea. It looks like a box(slip case), but matches the dvd case almost 100%. Plus instead of sliding over the case, the DVD slides into the side of the case/cover.
Perhaps an update to the thread about case types is in order, with examples of both Slip Case and Slip Cover. In my opinion if you can fit more than one Keep Case inside it should be a Slip Case, if you can't fit more than one Keep Case inside then it should be a Slip Cover, that makes sense to me. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 742 |
| | Posted: | | | | AFAIUI, the definition for those two is as follows:
Slip Case: Only to be associated with Box Sets, i. e. collections of more than one movie, each in their own individual packaging, irrelevant of the actual case type of the individual discs. A Slip Case is a cardboard surrounding holding several individually packaged DVDs together.
Slip cover: Only to be associated with everything BUT Box Sets, it represents an outer cover around the actual packaging of the DVD / DVDs, regardless of the actual case type used. It may be the sleeve around a Digipack hosting a TV series collection, a Digipack for a movie plus bonus discs, or a sleeve around a single movie release in a keep case or whatever. The material used for this outer cover is irrelevant, as the first edition of T2 shows (the sleeve is made of metal).
IMO, the main difference is the determination if we're dealing with a box set or not.
If I'm wrong with this assessment, I just found another feature of the program I'm only going to use locally, as everything else seems to go contrary to what we were trying to achieve in the beginning (untangling the misconceptions caused by using the same word (Box Set) with different meanings). | | | | Lutz |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 756 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Darxon: Quote:
AFAIUI, the definition for those two is as follows:
Slip Case: Only to be associated with Box Sets, i. e. collections of more than one movie, each in their own individual packaging, irrelevant of the actual case type of the individual discs. A Slip Case is a cardboard surrounding holding several individually packaged DVDs together.
Slip cover: Only to be associated with everything BUT Box Sets, it represents an outer cover around the actual packaging of the DVD / DVDs, regardless of the actual case type used. It may be the sleeve around a Digipack hosting a TV series collection, a Digipack for a movie plus bonus discs, or a sleeve around a single movie release in a keep case or whatever. The material used for this outer cover is irrelevant, as the first edition of T2 shows (the sleeve is made of metal). A think that's a good definition but does this not give us a problem with the "Alien Quadrilogy" *, which is a box set of four movies which are not individually packaged, all nine DVDs being in a single digipack with a Slip Case/cover. * also Pink Panther Collention: 5 films, single digipack with slip case/cover Smokey & the Bandit Pursuit Pack: 3 films, single digipack with slip case/cover | | | | Chris | | | | Last edited: by Mole |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Slip Case should be used when the profile itself has no other case. If the box set includes individual cases for children, all surrounded by a slip case, the box set profile will have slip case as the case type and the children will have their individual case types. If the box set has a single multi-disc case surrounded by a cover, use the multi-disc case type for the box set and check the slip cover checkbox.
I'll take a stab at wording this succinctly for inclusion in the rules. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative | | | | Last edited: by Ken Cole |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 756 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Slip Case should be used when the profile itself has no other case. If the box set includes individual cases for children, all surrounded by a slip case, the box set profile will have slip case as the case type and the children will have their individual case types. If the box set has a single multi-disc case surrounded by a cover, use the multi-disc case type for the box set and check the slip cover checkbox.
I'll take a stab at wording this succinctly for inclusion in the rules. Wording looks pretty good already!  In the case where the box set parent is a "single multi-disc case surrounded by a cover", for the children do we use "single multi-disc case" type with no slip cover? | | | | Chris | | | | Last edited: by Mole |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Darxon: Quote:
Slip cover: Only to be associated with everything BUT Box Sets, it represents an outer cover around the actual packaging of the DVD / DVDs, regardless of the actual case type used. I have a box set (slip case now) with 4 keep cases in but it also has a clear outer sleeve over the box. IMO this makes the children 'Keep Case' and the parent Slip Case AND Slip Cover... but yes, generally that seems the intention | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 756 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Voltaire53: Quote:
Quoting Darxon:
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Slip cover: Only to be associated with everything BUT Box Sets, it represents an outer cover around the actual packaging of the DVD / DVDs, regardless of the actual case type used.
I have a box set (slip case now) with 4 keep cases in but it also has a clear outer sleeve over the box. IMO this makes the children 'Keep Case' and the parent Slip Case AND Slip Cover... but yes, generally that seems the intention Ah, but you can't have slip case and slip cover at the same time.....(cover is greyed out if case is selected) | | | | Chris | | | | Last edited: by Mole |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 742 |
| | Posted: | | | | In lieu of Ken's post, I refine my initial post as follows: Slip Case: Only to be associated with Box Sets, i. e. collections of more than one movie, each in their own individual packaging, irrelevant of the actual case type of the individual discs. A Slip Case is a cardboard surrounding holding several individually packaged DVDs together. Slip cover: Only to be associated with everything BUT Box Sets as described above. It represents an outer cover around the actual packaging of the DVD / DVDs, regardless of the actual case type used. It may be the sleeve around a Digipack hosting a TV series collection, a Digipack for a movie plus bonus discs, or a sleeve around a single movie release in a keep case or whatever. The material used for this outer cover is irrelevant, as the first edition of T2 shows (the sleeve is made of metal). This selection also applies to Box Sets containing several movies that ARE NOT individually packaged. If this finds the majority's agreement, take it to the rules  | | | | Lutz |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 |  Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think this whole Boxset/Slipcase/Slipcover is finally going to get settled  . It makes perfect sense now (but that's perhaps because it is exactly how I've always interpreted it ). There's still a small shortcoming for those that don't use child profiles for TV series: with an actual Slipcase, you will not know what type of cases the DVDs are actually in. But I can live with that . BTW, in a sense I also don't see a difference between Slip Cover and Slip Case. If I understand it correctly, a slip cover that contains 3 separate keepcases would still follow the Slip Case logic. And conversely, a Slip Case that contains 1 Digipak-book would still be considered a Slip Cover. | | | | Last edited: by hevanw |
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