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btw: to give you a ballpark figure:

TOS: 79 episodes á 50 minutes
TAS: 20 episodes á 25 minutes
TNG: 176 episodes á 43 minutes
DS9: 173 episodes á 43 minutes
VOY: 168 episodes á 42 minutes
ENT: 97 episodes á 42 mintes

= 713 episodes; 30587 minutes = 509h 47m

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Actually, I never got around to buying ENT... Is it any good, compared to TNG and VOY?

I watched half a season and then got bored and didn't switch in again.

HEHE and that is only a little more than 21 days ov continous playback I dare someone to do that without sleep hahaha

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DS9 was just Babylon 5 with the serial numbers filed off...and then set in the Star Trek universe.

OR you could say B5 was DS9 set to it's own universe since DS9 actually started before B5 did 

(big fan of both of them BTW  )

Deep Space Nine was my favorite Trek series by a long shot (and the only Trek series I own as of today and I don't regret paying full price).  But to even include it in the same sentence as Babylon 5 is insulting to B5.

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DS9 was just Babylon 5 with the serial numbers filed off...and then set in the Star Trek universe.

OR you could say B5 was DS9 set to it's own universe since DS9 actually started before B5 did 

(big fan of both of them BTW  )

Sure, you could say that. I even thought that at first. But it's not the truth.

The B5 pilot screenplay was written in 1987. B5 was pitched to Paramount in 1989, long before they were even looking for a follow-up series to TNG, meaning Paramount had the screenplay, concept art and a basic series treatment and bible of B5 in their possession for many years. And the similarities between the pilots are striking on many points.

And while JMS firmly believes that neither Berman nor Piller ever accessed the information, he feels the Paramount development executives used the B5 information to influence the development of DS9 with the purpose of subverting the new PTEN space-based sci-fi show to reduce competion when establishing UPN.

Ironically, WB and Paramount now own CW together.

I wasn't meaning to turn this into a Babylon 5 vs. DS9 thread beyond my initial troll, but I guess I'll answer that. In fact, an initial list was compiled by JMS back in 1992 based solely on the B5 treatment vs. the DS9 pilot (modifications to original list made for readability only):

B5: Commander Sinclair
DS9: Commander Sisko

B5: Casino
DS9: Casino

B5: Bar
DS9: Bar

B5: Female second in command
DS9: Female second in command

B5: Shapechanger in original script
DS9: Shapechanger in pilot script

B5: Located near a jump-point (warp)
DS9: Located near wormhole (warp)

B5: Number-designated space station
DS9: Number-designated space station

B5: Hookers
DS9: Hookers

B5: Similar prosthetics
DS9: Similar prosthetics

B5: Similar sets
DS9: Similar sets

B5: Female 2nd fending off attack at end
DS9: Female 2nd fending off attack

B5: Bazaar
DS9: Promenade

B5: mdr. haunted by recent war
DS9: Cmdr. haunted by recent battle

B5: Cmdr. is unmarried
DS9: Cmdr. is (now) unmarried

B5: Freeport/port of call
DS9: Freeport/port of call

B5: Travelers/diplomats/smugglers
DS9: Travelers/diplomats/smugglers


Me again...Note that the shapechanger in the B5 initial pilot script was to be Kosh, a main character. I'll also personally add that the interest in the station commander by the religious class of another race was also present in the B5 treatment and the DS9 pilot. And to clarify similar prosthetics and sets, you need to remember that Paramount had access to the series treament and concept art from the original 1989 sales pitch, which included character designs and lists of station sets that would need to be built.

As we discuss this, let's keep in mind that TNG was beginning filming on its 3rd season when Babylon 5 was pitched to Paramount, and that development on Deep Space Nine didn't begin until 3 years later, around the time that Babylon 5 finally announced a place for the pilot to be aired (having already been filmed). Some of the similarities might be a little weak, but I do believe that some of them are a little too similar and that they don't fit in with what had come before within the Star Trek universe (I'm working a bit off memory here, since I haven't watched much of any Star Trek since DS9 finished season 3).

Commander: Not "commander" as just a rank, but specifically that the commander was the rank fo the commanding officer of the space station. This is actually an unusually low rank for such a position, and the fact that the position was considered to be a dead-end job for ever held it. Also, to correct a point, Sinclair was not married in the pilot.

Female 2nd: Star trek never touched the female second in command for a major lead role again after NBC $#!=-canned the idea in the original pilot.

Shapeshifter: Yes, there was a shapeshifter in the original pilot, but it was actually a Minbari wearing what amounted to a camouflage net. Still, the original ideas for a major character to be a shapeshifter were in the original treatment.

Jump Point: The idea of locating the space station near a major jump point was a new idea, not before used in Star Trek. Yes, wormholes had been touched on before.

Number designated: when exactly was the first Deep Space station mentioned in TNG?

Hookers: Nothing wrong with hookers...world's oldest profession

Prosthetics: I believe jms was referring prosthetics that were similar to concept art in the pitch meetings.

Port of Call/Travelers: The station makeup and military and civilian presences was an unusual mix for a Star Trek-based show, and I don't believe it evolved naturally from what came before it.

Just curious abt another thing.

I just added TOS and TNG to my watch list and notice that both are Full frame (1.33:1) aspect ratio. Does  this sound right? Are there Widescreen versions out there or is it just me....

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Just curious abt another thing.

I just added TOS and TNG to my watch list and notice that both are Full frame (1.33:1) aspect ratio. Does  this sound right? Are there Widescreen versions out there or is it just me....

TOS, TNG and DS9 are deefinitivly full frame (at least on DVD). Don't know about VOY and ENT.

ENT was definitely produced in Widescreen (1.78:1 or something around that).

VOY I think was produced in 1.33:1.

As far as I remember only the pilot episode order matters. It was aired third but should be watched first. Some things are different than in the rest of the series. Other uniforms, other doctor, other middle initial for Kirk.