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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantRifter
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You and really anyone from the US should be interested in what others think of this election and for that matter you should just simply be interested in other peoples' opinions.  I think most people are.

Who is elected President is very important to the rest of the world.  I wish it wasn't so, but it is.  The financial situation the rest of the world finds itself in is because of the US, and who is elected President will have as huge an impact on us as it will you.

I think it is enlightening to garner any and all information, not just what you want to hear.


Baloney.  Don't put the problems with banks in other countries on us.  In fact, I suspect that the idea for the subprime thing that Barney Frank was pushing came from Europe first.
John

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Sorry, but I do not need yours or any other non-U.S. citizen's opinion in order to know what is best for the U.S.  I honestly couldn't care less who you would like to see as President.

I'm not sure what the OP had in mind, but to me the question seems to be what do we think would be best for the rest of the world.

The US has great power. With great power comes great responsibility. This power and this responsibility goes way beyond the borders of the US. So it's quite reasonable that those of us who don't get to vote can still have an opinion.

If you don't want to hear that opinion, that's sad, but that's your prerogative. There's no need to be rude about it, though.



Sorry, but this election is for the American people, under American law, for leader of America.  Whether or not that effects other countries is only germaine insofar as the actions of new president pertain to foreign treaties and alliances.  Now, if you think the well-being of your country is affected to some extent by who becomes president, then that is because of arrangements YOUR country has entered into with the US.  Even then, it still doesn't give you the right to criticize our choice, or the way we go about making that choice.  Anything else is interference in our process, and that is not the way to endear yourselves to the American public or our leaders.
John

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Sorry, but I do not need yours or any other non-U.S. citizen's opinion in order to know what is best for the U.S. [...]

So, if you, as you wrote, know what's best for the U.S. why aren't you to be found on the ballot? 

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Just be grateful that we'll be here to bail your butts out when Ahmadinejad starts lobbing nukes into Israel and other pro-Israeli countries in the middle east and Europe.

Iran has as much nuclear weapons as Iraq had biological and chemical weapons.
They try to start a nuclear program, as they say for power plants only, wether you believe this or not is depending on your personal preferences.
But if you trust your American sources only be prepared to find out that they lie for the greater good.
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As well as the Iranian sources, when you come to that.



Care to place any bets on how soon the Israelis bomb Iran and take out its nuke facilities like they did Iraq?  If Obama wins, expect it before the inauguration in January, and more power to them if they do.  Anybody who thinks they aren't trying to achieve a working nuclear bomb is exceedingly naive.
John

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Sorry, but I do not need yours or any other non-U.S. citizen's opinion in order to know what is best for the U.S. [...]

So, if you, as you wrote, know what's best for the U.S. why aren't you to be found on the ballot? 


I'm not a crook! 

(God, I'm starting to sound like Nixon..... )



Let's start the write-in campaign now... Hal9g for President! (but you need a runningmate  )
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Baloney.  Don't put the problems with banks in other countries on us.  In fact, I suspect that the idea for the subprime thing that Barney Frank was pushing came from Europe first.

Sure, it was the European real estate market that sucked up the US money.
It was completely the other way round. Americas banking system cried out about a year ago that the system is going to fail because of foul credits and overdebted real estates (up to 10 times real worth).

European banks pushed in their money, well knowing that if the US financial system breaks down the rest of the world goes with them. One of the stranger things here was the German KFW-Bank which transferred 300 million € to Lehman Bros. on the day they declared bankruptcy.
For Germany this means (as far as we know up to now) German banks gave the US banks 1.000 Billion € and bought foul credits for this. This money is lost.
Yesterday the German parliament decided to help with 500 billion € to keep the financial system working. This money is probably lost.
Means: Germany alone spent 1.5 Trillion € on your houses. So now please don't come here and say we started it.
This is 100% US American homebrew. But it's like CocaCola, all the world drinks it too.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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Sorry, but I do not need yours or any other non-U.S. citizen's opinion in order to know what is best for the U.S. [...]

So, if you, as you wrote, know what's best for the U.S. why aren't you to be found on the ballot? 


I'm not a crook! 

(God, I'm starting to sound like Nixon..... )



Let's start the write-in campaign now... Hal9g for President! (but you need a runningmate  )


Thanks, Rick...but no thanks!

I am incapable of lying into people's faces, so I'd never survive.
Hal
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Iran has as much nuclear weapons as Iraq had biological and chemical weapons.
They try to start a nuclear program, as they say for power plants only, wether you believe this or not is depending on your personal preferences.
But if you trust your American sources only be prepared to find out that they lie for the greater good.
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As well as the Iranian sources, when you come to that.


That's like saying the mob never murdered anyone, because they never found the bodies!  And have you forgotten that they ACTUALLY USED chemical weapons on the Kurds?

But yeah, you just go right on believing that.  No skin off my nose.  They won't have the ballistic missile capability to reach the U.S, but I wouldn't be so sure about Germany!

Of course, we'll have to wait several decades for the radioactivity to go down, but we'll come clean up the mess when it's safe.
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Sorry, but I do not need yours or any other non-U.S. citizen's opinion in order to know what is best for the U.S. [...]

So, if you, as you wrote, know what's best for the U.S. why aren't you to be found on the ballot? 


I'm not a crook! 

(God, I'm starting to sound like Nixon..... )



Let's start the write-in campaign now... Hal9g for President! (but you need a runningmate  )

How about Skip for Vicepresident?
Couldn't be worse than McCAin/Palin
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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Thanks, Rick...but no thanks!

I am incapable of lying into people's faces, so I'd never survive.



Yep, you're unqualified!

Good for you. 
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And have you forgotten that they ACTUALLY USED chemical weapons on the Kurds?

That were the Turks, not the Iraqis. Didn't make any difference for the Kurds though.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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And have you forgotten that they ACTUALLY USED chemical weapons on the Kurds?

That were the Turks, not the Iraqis. Didn't make any difference for the Kurds though.


Try doing a little homework.

One of the crimes for which Saddam Hussein was executed was for gassing a Kurdish village!!!!!
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I would have voted for John McCain.
Obama has no experience whatsoever, unlike McCain.
Sure, Obama has all the talk, but can he do the walk? highly doubtful !

And don't let me start about his so called "questionable connections" with extremists.
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Sorry, but I do not need yours or any other non-U.S. citizen's opinion in order to know what is best for the U.S. [...]

So, if you, as you wrote, know what's best for the U.S. why aren't you to be found on the ballot? 


I'm not a crook! 

(God, I'm starting to sound like Nixon..... )



Let's start the write-in campaign now... Hal9g for President! (but you need a runningmate  )

How about Skip for Vicepresident?
Couldn't be worse than McCAin/Palin


Although I don't always agree with them,those are 2 I'd have no problems trusting on, so, they'd probably have my vote. (Hal & Skip I mean, not McCain/Palin). But I guess that's a bit futile as I can't vote on any of them. But hey, You can promise me nice things if you want anyway  
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Sorry, but this election is for the American people, under American law, for leader of America.

Correct, and we all know that.
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Whether or not that effects other countries is only germaine insofar as the actions of new president pertain to foreign treaties and alliances.  Now, if you think the well-being of your country is affected to some extent by who becomes president, then that is because of arrangements YOUR country has entered into with the US.

Didn't know being invaded by the US and it's allied could be referred to as "entering into an arangement with the US", but if that's what you call it fine with me.
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  Even then, it still doesn't give you the right to criticize our choice, or the way we go about making that choice.

This is where you are wrong. We have no right dictating your choice. We have no right claiming you do not have the right to make the choice you do. We have no right to demand you change the way the choice is made (beyond the rights granted by international treates the US chose to enter into).

But we do have every right criticizing your choice and methods.
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  Anything else is interference in our process, and that is not the way to endear yourselves to the American public or our leaders.


Only insecure people would have a problem with other people criticizing or commenting on your political system. Intelligent people would listen to the comments and still make up their own mind - using the input if they find it reasonable and ignoring it if they don't.

Only complete idiots would think they lived in a perfect country that couldn't learn anything at all from other countries. Hence the smart thing is to listen. You are intelligent enough to decide what to do with the critizism, aren't you?
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Lars:

Trust me you don't want me to begin criticizing the politics and selection processes in other countries. Nor will I because it is not my affair or business, I unlike you and others am uncomfortable intruding in the politics of sovreign countries, that is me not our politicos. And please allow me to remind you were it not for the United States under who's boot you would be groveling today. No, I don't forget that and the thousands of Americans who willingly gave the ultimate sacrifice so that you and the rest of Europe could live the life you do today...a life of relative freedom. Let me also remind you that the ONLY thing the United States has requested in at least the last 80 years is enough land to bury our dead.

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Sorry, but I do not need yours or any other non-U.S. citizen's opinion in order to know what is best for the U.S.  I honestly couldn't care less who you would like to see as President.

I'm not sure what the OP had in mind, but to me the question seems to be what do we think would be best for the rest of the world.

The US has great power. With great power comes great responsibility. This power and this responsibility goes way beyond the borders of the US. So it's quite reasonable that those of us who don't get to vote can still have an opinion.

If you don't want to hear that opinion, that's sad, but that's your prerogative. There's no need to be rude about it, though.



Sorry, but this election is for the American people, under American law, for leader of America.  Whether or not that effects other countries is only germaine insofar as the actions of new president pertain to foreign treaties and alliances and to our effects on Global warming and our financial and trade policies. Our military strategy in Iraq /Afghanistan etc .  Now, if you think the well-being of your country is affected to some extent by who becomes president, then that is because of arrangements YOUR country has entered into with the US.  Even then, it still doesn't give you the right to criticize our choice, or the way we go about making that choice.  Anything else is interference in our process, and that is not the way to endear yourselves to the American public or our leaders.


You've missed off a bit.
Paul
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