A clear 'No' to Prop. 8
I see absolutely no reason why homosexual couples shouldn't mary, but a lot of reasons why they should be able to.

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The proponents of Prop 8 claim they want to 'protect marriage'.  Seeing as 50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorce, what exactly are they protecting?

Very good point.

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Marriage in church will be quite unlikely though, no matter which side will win.

There are a lot of churches that do wed same-sex couples, and why shouldn't they? If to people, who believe in God, want to be together it's obviously Gods will that they do so.

As for children, well the lesbians are in advantage at that point. They have the neccesarry equipment onboard, so they "just" need a male sperm-donor. Not to forget that "to women living together" are, by most people, seen less of a thread than to guys.
But the whole teasing thing doesn't hold water IMHO, children can be cruel to other children over a myriad things: mother/father is poor, mother/father is fat, mother/father has the wrong skin colour etc. pp. so gay parents would just add one point more.

cya, Mithi

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The question is, when will California (or Massachusetts) eliminate the ban on bigamy? Or parents marrying their own children?  Or brothers and sisters marrying? Or polygamy?

There are reasons why these things have been overwhelmingly frowned upon (and illegal) for thousands of years, but somehow, we are now "more enlightened"?

The law against bigamy is just the majority bullying the minority (mainly, some cultures allowing begami have in history been rather opressing towards women, and that part is obviously not desirable in a free society). The laws against marriage to close family is based in medical reasoning (potential children getting health related problems).

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This is simply the result of the ever expanding liberal agenda and removal of God from our lives through the media, especially movies and television to brainwash our society into thinking that it is wrong to be judgmental of other people no matter what they do.

And why exactly is it other people should live by some random rules some guys wrote a few thousand years ago in a book you now consider holy? And yes, I recognize you fully have the right to consider that book holy - just as everyone else have the right to consider the book fiction if they so choose.

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  It's callled relativism, and is the path we are far down already.

Don't worry, like the population in other countries ahead of you in this development you will over time realize that  discrimination based on sexual orientation is just as pathetic as discrimination based on race.

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Just as with children, societies have to have boundaries.  Sadly those boundaries are disappearing.  Our civilization will not be not far behind!

Yes, boundaries are needed. But what are the purpose of the boundaries? To limit the individual or to balance the freedom given to individuals. We all know the saying "Your freedom ends where mine begins". The boundaries (laws) are there to determine where those rights meets. Allowing gay marriage grant rights to homosexuals but do not take away any freedom or rights of heterosexuals - so what exactly is the problem?

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    Anyone who would vote YES care to share reasoning why?

    I've been married to the same woman for 29 years & am no way threatened by gays choosing to marry.

    Rick



What makes you think that someone who votes yes is "threatened"?

I'm simply stating I'm not threatened. You've read more into that statement, than there is! I do not know if 'someone' who votes YES is threatened. That's why I asked if YES voter would care to share there reasoning.

Quoting hal9g:

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The question is, when will California (or Massachusetts) eliminate the ban on bigamy?
Or parents marrying their own children?  Or brothers and sisters marrying? Or polygamy?

There are reasons why these things have been overwhelmingly frowned upon (and illegal) for thousands of years, but somehow, we are now "more enlightened"

And would you be so kind as to tell us some of those reason? But no bible-hogwash please, real reasons.
And don't come with the lame: "Close related people have handicapped childs" because marriage doesn't necessarily means "offsprings".


cya, Mithi

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Hal wrote:
This is simply the result of the ever expanding liberal agenda and removal of God from our lives through the media, especially movies and television to brainwash our society into thinking that it is wrong to be judgmental of other people no matter what they do.

It's funny that you politicize 'gay marriage' as a liberal agenda. Is it part of the conservative credo, manifesto, or true conservatives, to oppose gay marriage????

Rick

Actually yes it is.  True conservatism includes homosexuality is wrong due to the fact that most conservatives are also very religious.  Remember I did not say all so please do not jump in and say you are a conservative and disagree.  It also includes the right to life belief and they generally rail against pornography as well.  I am not a conservative as I disagree with part of the part line.  I am a Republican in the spirit as it was designed when joined be Abraham Lincoln.

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Actually yes it is.  True conservatism includes homosexuality is wrong due to the fact that most conservatives are also very religious.  Remember I did not say all so please do not jump in and say you are a conservative and disagree.  It also includes the right to life belief and they generally rail against pornography as well.  I am not a conservative as I disagree with part of the part line.  I am a Republican in the spirit as it was designed when joined be Abraham Lincoln.

You guys (assuming you are from the US) really need more than two political parties. As it is now, people that are for example against universal health care but for same-sex marriages might end up schizophrenic. 

The following is a list of faith-based organizations which oppose Prop. 8:

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Affirming Spirits of the First Congregational United Church of Christ
All Saints Episcopal Church
Altadena Community Church United Church of Christ
Apple Seed Friends Meeting
Berkeley Fellowship Unitarian Universalists
Beth Chayim Chadashim (BCC)
Beth El Congregation
Bloom in the Desert Ministries UCC/Methodist
Board of Rabbis of Southern California
Board of Trustees, Unitarian Universalist Church of Ventura
California Church IMPACT
Call to Action / USA
Catholic Democrats of California
California Faith for Equality
Christ Chapel Metropolitan Community Church
Church of the Foothills
Claremont United Methodist Church
Clergy and Laity for Economic Justice Santa Barbara
Clergy United, Inc.
Community Church of Atascadero, UCC
Conejo Valley Unitarian Universalist Fellowship
Congregation Beth El
Congregation Church of Belmont UCC
Congregation Kol Ami
Council of Churches of Santa Clara County
The Episcopal Diocese of California
Fair Oaks United Methodist Church
First Congregational Church, Riverside
First Presbyterian Church of Palo Alto
First Unitarian-Universalist Church of San Diego
Golden Gate Association of the Northern California Nevada Conference of the United Church of Christ
Hollywood Lutheran Church
Immanuel Presbyterian Church
Institute for Judaism and Sexual Orientation
Interfaith Clergy Coalition
Irvine United Congregational Church, UCC
Jewish Community Relations Council SF, the Peninsula, Marin, Sonoma, Alameda and Contra Costa Counties
Jewish Family Service of Los Angeles
LGBTQI Interfaith Clergy Council of Los Angeles
Lutherans Concerned – Los Angeles
Lutherans Concerned – North America
Metropolitan Community Church of the Coachella Valley
Metropolitan Community Church Los Angeles
Metropolitan Community Church – Region 6
Metropolitan Community Church in the Valley
Ministry in Action Commission, St. Mark’s United Methodist Church
Mira Vista United Church of Christ
Mission Hills United Church of Christ
Mormons for Marriage
Mount Diablo Unitarian Universalist Church
Orange Coast Unitarian Universalist Church
Pacific Association of Reform Rabbis
Pacific Central District of the Unitarian Universalist Association
Pacific School of Religion
Pacific Southwest District, Unitarian Universalist Association
Palomar Unitarian Universalist Fellowship
Progressive Jewish Alliance
Redlands United Church of Christ
Region One Metropolitan Community Church
Sacramento Call to Action
Saint Aidan’s Episcopal Church
Saint Paul Lutheran Church
San Marino Congressional UCC
Sepulveda Unitarian Universalist Society
Social Justice Committee, Unitarian Society of Santa Barbara
Starr King Unitarian Universalist Church
St. Gregory of Nyssa Episcopal Church
St. John’s Presbyterian Church
St. Luke’s Episcopal Church
St. Matthew’s Lutheran Church
Stone Church of Willow Glen
Temple Isaiah
The Center for Lesbian and Gay Studies in Religion
The Episcopal Church of St. John the Evangelist
The Metropolitan Community Church of San Diego
The Southern California Nevada Conference of the United Church of Christ
The Workmen’s Circle – Arbeter Ring
Union for Reform Judaism – Pacific Southwest Council
Union for Reform Judaism – Pacific Central West Council
Unitarian Universalist Church in Anaheim
Unitarian Universalist Church of Berkeley
Unitarian Universalist Church of Davis
Unitarian Universalist Church of Fresno
Unitarian Universalist Church of Long Beach
Unitarian Universalist Church of Palo Alto
Unitarian Universalist Church of Santa Monica
Unitarian Universalist Church of Ventura
Unitarian Universalist Community of the Mountains
Unitarian Universalist Community Church – Sacramento
Unitarian Universalist Congregation, Santa Rosa
Unitarian Universalist Fellowship of Los Gatos
Unitarian Universalist Fellowship of San Dieguito
Unitarian Universalist Fellowship of Stanislaus County
Unitarian Universalist Fellowship of Tuolmne County
Unitarian Universalist Fellowship of Visalia
Unitarian Universalist Laguna Beach – Board of Trustees
Unitarian Universalist Legislative Ministry Action Network
Unitarian Universalist Legislative Ministry, CA
Unitarian Universalist of Santa Clarita Valley
Unitarian Universalist Society of Sacramento
Valley Ministries MCC

Quoting hal9g:

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The question is, when will California (or Massachusetts) eliminate the ban on bigamy? Or parents marrying their own children?  Or brothers and sisters marrying? Or polygamy?

There are reasons why these things have been overwhelmingly frowned upon (and illegal) for thousands of years, but somehow, we are now "more enlightened"?

This is simply the result of the ever expanding liberal agenda and removal of God from our lives through the media, especially movies and television to brainwash our society into thinking that it is wrong to be judgmental of other people no matter what they do.  It's callled relativism, and is the path we are far down already.

Just as with children, societies have to have boundaries.  Sadly those boundaries are disappearing.  Our civilization will not be not far behind!

I'm a little confused why any of this has any relevance to gays wanting to be married?

And I would vote No. I see no reason why anyone should be discriminated against. If they wish ti be blessed by God why should they be stopped?