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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorAiAustria
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My guess is that this database prevents the program from using UTF-8 and is stuck with ANSI.

ANSI supports a few special letters but not that many (basically the ones of the major Western countries in the early nineties).

To support all of the world's variations of the latin alphabet (like the special letters in Czech), the Greek, Russian and other alphabets as well as the symbol languages like Japanese Kanji and Chinese the program would have to switch to Unicode one of its variants being UTF-8.

I'm a technician, so:
a) ANSI is not a valid specification, but a standardization institute
b) There are many character and codesets defined by ANSI - starting with the ASCII character set used by MS-DOS up to the ISO-8859 Standards... - but none of them used by Microsoft Windows.
c) What Microsoft calls ANSI codepages are modified ISO-8859 character sets (Microsoft wouldn't be Microsoft, if they'd care for standards
d) The answer I tried to get, was, if the online database uses the Windows-1252 code page - since the only accountable base for contribution is the online data base...
e) UTF-8 still would not work any better since it is only another 8bit character set. It's a more modern subset of Unicode. Only UTF-16 or, if we really think about Asian character sets, UTF-32 would be an improvement. But the problem of some type of commen sense wouldn't be addressed by the code set, since most users here simply can not read Asian characters...

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But that would probably mean ripping out the database from underneath and putting a new one in. And depending on how intertwined the GUI code, the logic code and the database access code arethis could result in a major rewrite of the program.

... for sure...

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That being said, I hate it when people try to force every gimmick in DVD title a bored cover designer came up with into the DVDP database.

I already hate "T4Xi", I will not like an "Omega Man" with an actual Omega any better. It defeats the whole purpose of a database.

Agreed.

I alter these titles locally, to be latin-character-only.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorAiAustria
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DVDP supports the characters available in the code page used by your system for non-unicode programs. You can manually change the code page under Region and Language Settings, in order to access other character, but you can only have one code page at a time so it's not a real solution.

The submission system also doesn't consider the code page used by the submitter, which causes a bit of a mess. Let's say you submit a profile with the accented characters available to you. When the same profile is downloaded by someone in Poland or Hungary he will see other special or accented characters instead of the ones submitted by you.

That's bad news
... but considering the age of the base, it seem to be reasoned...
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorDJ Doena
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My guess is that this database prevents the program from using UTF-8 and is stuck with ANSI.

a) ANSI is not a valid specification, but a standardization institute
b) There are many character and codesets defined by ANSI - starting with the ASCII character set used by MS-DOS up to the ISO-8859 Standards... - but none of them used by Microsoft Windows.
c) What Microsoft calls ANSI codepages are modified ISO-8859 character sets (Microsoft wouldn't be Microsoft, if they'd care for standards


Well, I linked to the ANSI code page. But it's easier just saying ANSI when you're talking about code pages anyway.

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e) UTF-8 still would not work any better since it is only another 8bit character set. It's a more modern subset of Unicode. Only UTF-16 or, if we really think about Asian character sets, UTF-32 would be an improvement. But the problem of some type of commen sense wouldn't be addressed by the code set, since most users here simply can not read Asian characters...


You need to read up on how UTF in all its variants actually works. UTF-8 and UTF-16 have different use cases but they can represent all the same characters.

Both these pages are delivered in UTF-8 and methinks these guys know what they're doing:
http://www.amazon.co.jp/
http://www.shu.edu.cn/IndexPage.html
Karsten
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorAiAustria
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e) UTF-8 still would not work any better since it is only another 8bit character set. It's a more modern subset of Unicode. Only UTF-16 or, if we really think about Asian character sets, UTF-32 would be an improvement. But the problem of some type of commen sense wouldn't be addressed by the code set, since most users here simply can not read Asian characters...


You need to read up on how UTF in all its variants actually works. UTF-8 and UTF-16 have different use cases but they can represent all the same characters.

Both these pages are delivered in UTF-8 and methinks these guys know what they're doing:
http://www.amazon.co.jp/
http://www.shu.edu.cn/IndexPage.html

Sorry, my fault.
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This is the website I use. Find the letter you want and copy and paste. Works for me all the time.

See here
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorAiAustria
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This is the website I use. Find the letter you want and copy and paste. Works for me all the time.

See here

Yes, seems that there are only characters out of Windows 1252 code page.

The critical characters, which I'd need for In the Land of Blood and Honey, are included in code page 1250 only: c and C with a caron, the small d with a stroke and the c and C with an acute

I submitted the profile without these characters...
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I already hate "T4Xi", I will not like an "Omega Man" with an actual Omega any better. It defeats the whole purpose of a database.

Glad to know it's not just me and Yves that feel that way... 


No; you are not alone... I do like the look of it but I hate it when 'clever' typesetting means I can't actually find a film in online. It sort of defeats the purpose. Locally it's not so bad as IIRC search also checks either Original and/or Sort title which usually means I can find thinkgs in my own collection.
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I already hate "T4Xi", I will not like an "Omega Man" with an actual Omega any better. It defeats the whole purpose of a database.

Glad to know it's not just me and Yves that feel that way... 


No; you are not alone... I do like the look of it but I hate it when 'clever' typesetting means I can't actually find a film in online. It sort of defeats the purpose. Locally it's not so bad as IIRC search also checks either Original and/or Sort title which usually means I can find thinkgs in my own collection.


Just for the record... the online searches the original title as well... it has for quite a while now.

I search for Taxi 4 and T4XI still shows up...

Pete
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