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Supervising Producers and Creative Producers, to credit or not? |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote: This is why i don't watch TV ... reruns. Latest poll, by Pantheon, here (access to the Contribution Rules Committee forum needed), with a healthy support for allowing supervising producers under the producer heading. As it should be, of course. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 3,830 |
| Posted: | | | | . | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | Last edited: by ? |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,819 |
| Posted: | | | | Please re-read T!M's post about SP's (especially the Star Trek, Merri Howard bit!).
Then maybe this moronic attitude to SPs will stop. |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote: 80 outvote those 28 Yes, I understand we all pick the poll that supports our own preference. I just picked the most recent one... IMHO, this is all very simple: a "supervising art director" goes under "art director", a "supervising re-recording mixer" goes under "re-recording mixer", a "supervising editor" goes under "editor", and a "supervising producer" goes under "producer". | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: Wow, now you are jumping to conclusions, hal. Yes I am angry at your repeated ad hominem attacks, which lowers your credibility tremendously. If you got a red zinger then you need to answer foir it, it was not i that threw it. In fact, as far as I am concerned your ad hominems have been so frequent and insulting, you have NO credibility. You might try being more friendly or something, I don't know what, I have come to believe that you just a nasty person, and i don't like that, I keep looking for signs that point otherwise and can't find them.
I will add that I believe you have on more than one occasion thrown reds that I consider unwarranted but i can't prove it nor would i publicly try to paint you that way.
Skip Grow up! | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 906 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
IMHO, this is all very simple: a "supervising art director" goes under "art director", a "supervising re-recording mixer" goes under "re-recording mixer", a "supervising editor" goes under "editor", and a "supervising producer" goes under "producer". And the only one of those that are actually supported by the current rules is 'supervising art director' | | | The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 3,830 |
| Posted: | | | | . | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote: And the only one of those that are actually supported by the current rules is 'supervising art director' To be just a tad more specific: only that one is specifically ADDRESSED by the rules. The others are all generally entered by the huge majority of the community, as they should be. I consider it nothing more than "common sense". I have plenty films where, for instance, a "supervising editor" is the only editing credit, or a few "supervising re-recording mixers" are the only sound mixing credits. Nobody in their right mind would even consider leaving them out, and a CLT search on specific examples shows that this indeed is not the case. And rightly so. |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | And you guys wonder why such a small percentage of DVDP users participate in forum discussions and why more and more users stop contributing? |
| Registered: May 18, 2007 | Posts: 232 |
| Posted: | | | | It's my personal perception that the supervising director is supervising the director(s). Therefore not actually directing, but the supervisor which has the final responsibility.
If we should credit the supervisor, I don't know. But as I feel the supervisor is responsible for the end result, but does not direct, I think they've earned a credit. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 906 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting reybr: To be just a tad more specific: only that one is specifically ADDRESSED by the rules.
And because of that, the only one allowed by the rules Quote:
The others are all generally entered by the huge majority of the community
Since you present this as facts, can you please show me something that supports this idea? I haven't seen anything that supports it Quote:
as they should be.
That's your opinion, nothing more Quote:
I consider it nothing more than "common sense".
And I think it's common sense to not credit them. So much for common sense Quote:
I have plenty films where, for instance, a "supervising editor" is the only editing credit, or a few "supervising re-recording mixers" are the only sound mixing credits.
Yes, but they are still only supervising, not doing the actual work Quote:
Nobody in their right mind would even consider leaving them out,
Except those following the rules Quote:
and a CLT search on specific examples shows that this indeed is not the case.
because the data is in the database doesn't make it right, as you have said so many times regarding common names and imdb mining Quote: And rightly so. Again, your opinion If we go back to the supervising producer question, we can take a look at the Producers Guild of America and the FAQ you linked to: (Bold by me) A Supervising Producer supervises one or more producers in the performance of some or all of his/her/their producer functions, on single or multiple productions, either in place of, or subject to the overriding authority of an Executive Producer. That means they are not performing the same job. Yes, a supervising producer is above the producer in the hierarchy, but that doesn't mean it's the same thing. If we take a look at the definition, a supervising producer is closer to an executive producer when it comes to the actual work being done, than to a producer. I find it strange that you are advocating against adding all the new art credits that are allowed by the rules because if waters out the meaning of the credit when you are doing the exact opposite with these credits. Adding supervising producer as producer waters out the meaning of the producer credit and we will not be able to tell what a person actually did in the movie/tv-series because of that. That's exact same argument you use for the new art credits. Users are more than welcome to add a supervising producer to their profile, but should do so either locally without contributing or with the new custom role feature. That's what it's there for. (And that is of course my opinion) | | | The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity | | | Last edited: by reybr |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,819 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote: Quoting Pantheon:
Quote: Please re-read T!M's post about SP's (especially the Star Trek, Merri Howard bit!).
Then maybe this moronic attitude to SPs will stop. are you claiming Ken has a moronic attitude? If that's what I meant I would have said it. Anyway - I've made my decision. No more contributing on existing profiles for me. It's just not worth the time and effort. I will be keeping my information to myself. Selfish, I know, but quite frankly I'm past caring. From now on I will only contribute completely new profiles (such as child profiles). |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 3,830 |
| Posted: | | | | . | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | Last edited: by ? |
| Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,807 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: NOT
I can understand the argument that some might posit for Supervising Producers, but unlike a Supervising Sound Editor or Art Director, a Supervising Producer does not sit at the top of the Producer tree, in fact such a credit is far closer to the bottom of the tree than the top.
Skip I haven't been contributing SP just because of that reason of yours. But, I wonder, is it a fact? | | | -- Enry |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote: I've made my decision.
No more contributing on existing profiles for me. It's just not worth the time and effort. I will be keeping my information to myself. Selfish, I know, but quite frankly I'm past caring.
From now on I will only contribute completely new profiles (such as child profiles). Too bad you feel compelled to make this decision, Pantheon. But I fully understand why. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
To be just a tad more specific: only that one is specifically ADDRESSED by the rules. The others are all generally entered by the huge majority of the community, as they should be. I consider it nothing more than "common sense". I have plenty films where, for instance, a "supervising editor" is the only editing credit, or a few "supervising re-recording mixers" are the only sound mixing credits. Nobody in their right mind would even consider leaving them out, and a CLT search on specific examples shows that this indeed is not the case. And rightly so. Once again, personal preference trumps the rules. The rules do not mention Supervising Producers, in any column, so they are not allowed. On a side note, I have noticed that IMDb data is entered by the huge majority of the community...does that mean it is now allowed? No, it simply means that a huge majority are breaking the rules. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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