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In the Social Democracies (a euphemism for Socialist States) of Europe

3 wars, with huge casulties, all so that this country would never be called a Socialist State

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In the Social Democracies (a euphemism for Socialist States) of Europe

3 wars, with huge casulties, all so that this country would never be called a Socialist State

Unbeknownst to you (and us) the enemy was not external!

I hope you are not trying to say the "horrors" you face now is even REMOTELY comparable to the regimes Finland had to fight to remain a free country. Any such comparison is - to be honest - disgusting.

If you pay just a tiny little bit of attention to the projects listed on that site, you'll notice there is not 1 single project for Chicago. Is anyone willing to bet that Chicago will not end up getting at least 60% of the total stimulus that the state of Illinois recieves? My city is supposedly going to recieve 5 million, according to the paper, but we're not on the list either, so I don't know how accurate or complete the list is.

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In the Social Democracies (a euphemism for Socialist States) of Europe

3 wars, with huge casulties, all so that this country would never be called a Socialist State

Unbeknownst to you (and us) the enemy was not external!

I hope you are not trying to say the "horrors" you face now is even REMOTELY comparable to the regimes Finland had to fight to remain a free country. Any such comparison is - to be honest - disgusting.

You're joking, right?

They, Finland and others, spent all of that blood and tears fighting an "external" enemy who threatened to bring a "socialist" regime by force.

Then they, Finland and others, through free democratic elections, voted a Socialist State into being from within, without a drop of blood.

Ironic, don't you think.

And now the same thing has happened here.

But we won't go quietly into that good night. Are you listening, Mr. President. Do the words Don't Read On Me sound familiar, or didn't they teach you about that in your schooling.

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You're joking, right?

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They, Finland and others, spent all of that blood and tears fighting an "external" enemy who threatened to bring a "socialist" regime by force.

"Social Democracy" is not the same as "National Socialism", which is not the same as the "socialsm" practiced by Lenin. Of course you can still hate all three, but that does not mean they are the same.

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Then they, Finland and others, through free democratic elections, voted a Socialist State into being from within, without a drop of blood.

Close, a Social democratic state because this is what they (and many others with the same historical background) prefer. If they had gotten a system they didn't want, it would have been an unfortunate result.

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Ironic, don't you think.

No. They fought totalitarian regimes to get a stable democracy respecting human rights. How can that be ironic? Just because then they freely choose another set of democratic values than the ones you have due to their historic and cultural background does not mean it's a bad thing.

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And now the same thing has happened here.

The price of a democracy - you do not always like the direction things are going.

But where I really have a problem with your comment is that you equate the current Finnish government with totalitarian governments. I know you just do it to make your point on how bad you think the the socialist model is (and you obviously have all right in the world to think that), but unfortunately you are basically also saying that the totalitarian regimes of Lenin and Hitler where no worse than Finland today. And this is what I find to be a complete lack of respect towards the people who fought against these totalitarian regimes, and the people who had family and friends killed by these regimes. What do you plan to say if you meat someone who lost relatives in the German death camps? Something like "I know exactly how you feel, my tax has been increased to 45% now".

Agree with everything lmoelleb just said and...

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Then they, Finland and others, through free democratic elections, voted a Socialist State into being from within, without a drop of blood.

Ironic, don't you think.

Voting results right before war:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_parliamentary_election,_1939
Have it ever occured to you that their not the same thing? It still baffels my mind why you are constantly trying to insult?

I never said anything about paying higher taxes at any time (GDP stands for Gross Domestic Product, that's not a tax), and you completely twisted my statements to infer that I was dishonoring the sacrifices of people who gave their lives in the defense of freedom.

You appear to have an agenda, which I chose not to propagate.

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I never said anything about paying higher taxes at any time (GDP stands for Gross Domestic Product, that's not a tax),

Correct. I wrongly extrapolated the connection between the word "socialistic" and "high tax" I have often heard from various Americans I have talked to over the years. But you did express this so I do appologize for using this example.

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and you completely twisted my statements to infer that I was dishonoring the sacrifices of people who gave their lives in the defense of freedom.

Sorry, it's still the only way I can read this (from a previous post you wrote):

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They, Finland and others, spent all of that blood and tears fighting an "external" enemy who threatened to bring a "socialist" regime by force.

Then they, Finland and others, through free democratic elections, voted a Socialist State into being from within, without a drop of blood.

Ironic, don't you think.

You still haven't told me why this is ironic - I just don't get it. Yes, I might be stupid, it might be because English is my second language so I don't get one or another subtle meaning. The only way I can see this as ironic is if you considered all political systems with anything related to "social" in the name as equal. Unfortunately you have not really said anything to make me think that is not what you where doing.

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You appear to have an agenda, which I chose not to propagate.

Oh no, you found out. I am an agent for the New World Order I just saw what I consider a redicilous and insulting statement towards Finland in general and responded to it. If that's "having an agenda" it's fine with me...