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Next thing you know we'll be using the date the director had a private showing of the film in his home theater! 

That's why I have said "public festival", where everybody and not just the elites can buy a ticket.

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How exactly can "everybody" buy a ticket to a festival like the Cannes Film Festival unless you just happen to be in Cannes.

I don't see how you can consider that to be a "general" release to the public.

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Does it matter if there is some sort of new edition of a film?

Such as the Star Wars: Special Editions.

I am fairly sure that there is a new Copyright date in the end credits for the Special Editions. Is the Special Editions considered to be an entirely new film and since they were first released in early 1997 I believe, would the Production Year be 1997 for these, instead of 1977, 1980 and 1983?

Yes, the new copyright date should be used.  It is not the same film as the original release.

Sorry, i'm afraid you're wrong. You may personally disagree with the Rules but they specifically state:

"For films that have been updated (e.g., a Special Edition or Directors Cut) use the year of the original release, not the year that the re-release was “made” or released"

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Next thing you know we'll be using the date the director had a private showing of the film in his home theater! 

That's why I have said "public festival", where everybody and not just the elites can buy a ticket.

How exactly can "everybody" buy a ticket to a festival like the Cannes Film Festival unless you just happen to be in Cannes.

How exactly can "everybody" buy a ticket to a cinema in any city/country unless you just happen to be in that city/country? In principle everybody can. But I have to admit that I would not travel to the USA just to see the world general release of any film which will be shown in a cinema in my home town later.

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I don't see how you can consider that to be a "general" release to the public.

I don't see how you can't consider that to be a "general" release to the public.

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"For films that have been updated (e.g., a Special Edition or Directors Cut) use the year of the original release, not the year that the re-release was “made” or released"

I should have been clearer.  I was talking about a change that would require the use of the copyright date in the film credits.  If we were to implement such a change, then the re-release date would have to be used, since that is what would appear in the DVD credits.

Ah, sorry for the misunderstanding... I confess I was surprised since I'm know you have read the Rules!

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If a movie was released at a film festival then that is how it was released, no matter if 1 or 1000 people saw it. It's no different from a limited release playing at a few select cities. I just love it when people try to fabricate new rules outside of the rules and then quote it like facts... 

But that's not a "Theatrical Release"...no matter what you say.  It wasn't released to "theaters"!

All the more reason why we should use copyright date.

I would have to agree with Hal and Unicus here... there is a difference between a Theatrical Release and a Film Festival Showing.

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Indirectly supporting what Hal has said here, "What would you put down for a film released direct to DVD" which of course would not have a Theatrical Release - Stargate Ark of Truth: Stargate Continuum both spring to mind here both are a Direct to DVD release.

So I too would support whole heartedly using the Copyrighted Year since it's in the credits.

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Following the rules to the letter, TV series & direct to DVD films shouldn't have a "Production Year". Since that is obviously not the case, I honestly believe that either the rule should be updated as advised by several or change the field name (or both).

Apologies you are quite correct about that.

Edit: Doh!