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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting eommen: Quote:
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I think you guys are missing the forest for the trees. It hardly matters if it was one profile or a thousand profiles. Starting yet another multi-page thread on how to parse a particular person's name will only catch the 10% of users who even bother to read these threads...and then you've only addressed one name. I think this gets back to Ken's more general statement of minor errors being ignored.
Fully agree. Really.
That said, since the rant made a big thing of the "I believe" related to name parsing, I went in a bit deeper. Note that I wasn't really going into parsing details, but I was trying to substantiate that it is unrealistic to either double the investigation going into the (any, for that matter) contribution and also that it is unworkable to supply documentation for anything and everything (some others sadi that too by now).
Get real please, a contribution must be as good as it can, of course, but it must not be a university level thesis with footnotes and references for every bit statement... I agree with the thesis statement. But any kind of comment which amounts to "it is because I say so, with NO DOCUMENTATION, in some cases the users are not even including CLT results. No that doesn't work for me and never will and i will ALWAYS vote NO to such inanity. As I said this is a TEAM effort and I view the arrogant and selfish comments of some users as not being part of the TEAM. They are only stroking their own egos and laziness. BTW, ninnyhammer is one word.  And further no bloviating...my job.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | I can understand Skip's desire to rant once in a while.
I just tried to process an update which I don't think there was one single item correct.
case type THINpak it should have digipak/slip cover, after all it had nine discs to item.
I'd like to see anyone put nine discs in a THINpak.
When you try to edit a profile and a message pops up with message update available (recommended).
The only thing that should be recommended is you better check it before you accept it. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
Ineptocracy, You got to love it.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln | | | | Last edited: by Srehtims |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | BTW this rant had NOTHING to do with parsing, but taking data which was Correct and making it NOT Correct with absolutely no supporting documentation or verification of any kind.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Another middle name thread. I will repeat what I suggested in another thread and I still think is the best solution: separate all common given names (first) from maiden and family names (last) and eliminate the middle name field. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | edit | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Nope you missed the point, Martin. This simply about good data being turned into bad data based onothing more than a user's belief that it should be that way, no documentation, no verification. Just a users whine and and belief. Middle name is the piece of data but this applies to ANY piece of data, keep your beliefs and opinions where they belong...LOCALLY. There is no advantage to anyone by having to spend THEIR time to unscramble the mess created by users like this, except annoying other users, and this is only one instance, I could do the same rant for SStudios, Audio data...you name it.
The answer is to provide documentation to back up the change or don't include it.
I just found this one to be particularly egregious since it was correctly declined the first time, but as soon as the user whined about it... While his not reads properly the ACTUAL data he submitted was for George Roy//Hill, not George/Roy/Hill
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
I actually tried to find a contribution that had been worded like that but couldn't find it. I did however find one that said -
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*Crew- "George Roy Hill" parsed as "George Roy" FirstName -- fixed this
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*Crew- "George Roy Hill" was parsed as "George Roy" FirstName -- fixed this to first/middle/last
No mention of "believe". But that makes it look as if the contributor changed an exisiting entry, in which case a bit more documentation would make sense, even for going to the "default US" a/b/c parsing. If no documentation can be found, just leave it alone. No need to sneak this in with an otherwise useful contribution. | | | | Hans |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote:
But that makes it look as if the contributor changed an exisiting entry, in which case a bit more documentation would make sense, even for going to the "default US" a/b/c parsing. If no documentation can be found, just leave it alone.
No need to sneak this in with an otherwise useful contribution. That wasn't the contribution that Skip had the problem with. That was just one that I found that had been updated "recently" (January) with the person's name being changed but without documentation to support it. northbloke provided the actual profile details. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting eommen: Quote:
Quoting mdnitoil:
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I think you guys are missing the forest for the trees. It hardly matters if it was one profile or a thousand profiles. Starting yet another multi-page thread on how to parse a particular person's name will only catch the 10% of users who even bother to read these threads...and then you've only addressed one name. I think this gets back to Ken's more general statement of minor errors being ignored.
Fully agree. Really. Put me on this list too | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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 | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | I could have sworn that Ken assigned a "part-timer" or two as forum moderator(s).
So, where are you Mr.\Ms. moderator?
Why are these attacks allowed?
Is there a double standard in this forum?
If you do it to some, don't you have to do it to all?
Sure looks like someone (maybe deliberately) is not doing their job!!! | | | | Dan |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 823 |
| | Posted: | | | | Where's your documentation that is should be G R // H ??? | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
Where's your documentation that is should be G R // H ??? I thought that's what he was saying as well but he's saying it should be G/R/H according to the contribution he's made. Quoting Dan W: Quote:
I could have sworn that Ken assigned a "part-timer" or two as forum moderator(s).
So, where are you Mr.\Ms. moderator?
Why are these attacks allowed?
Is there a double standard in this forum?
If you do it to some, don't you have to do it to all?
Sure looks like someone (maybe deliberately) is not doing their job!!! I've not seen any attacks in this thread *shrug* | | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
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| Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
Quoting Grendell:
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Where's your documentation that is should be G R // H ???
I thought that's what he was saying as well but he's saying it should be G/R/H according to the contribution he's made.
Quoting Dan W:
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I could have sworn that Ken assigned a "part-timer" or two as forum moderator(s).
So, where are you Mr.\Ms. moderator?
Why are these attacks allowed?
Is there a double standard in this forum?
If you do it to some, don't you have to do it to all?
Sure looks like someone (maybe deliberately) is not doing their job!!!
I've not seen any attacks in this thread *shrug* Of course not. | | | | Dan |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've not. One is a little borderline but this thread has been more civil than other similar threads.
Edit: Disagreeing with what someone says is different to attacking them. | | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
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| Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
I've not. One is a little borderline but this thread has been more civil than other similar threads.
Edit: Disagreeing with what someone says is different to attacking them. That never occurred to me. Thanks for that pearl of wisdom. | | | | Dan |
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| Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Posts: 384 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm a little confused about this "rant". From what I can see, and granted I did not see the contribution that this person put up, but was he even the person to submit the change to George Roy//Hill?
From the looks of it, he absolutely agrees with you that it should be George/Roy/Hill. He states specifically that he does in his contribution notes. "I believe that the director should be George(first name) Roy (middle name), Hill (last name)."
So, just a thought, could he have submitted the whole Crew and not touched the George Roy//Hill entry and just stated that he believes it should be changed? Something tells me that this was the case. It's a bit unfair to launch a full on attack on a user when not enough info is known. Does anyone else remember either of the previous contributions to be sure this is a change he actually made?
For the record, I'm completely in agreement with Skip that it should be George/Roy/Hill, but I also think that the user that he is upset about also agrees, and I have to wonder whether he even changed it to "George Roy//Hill", and if he did, that it was on purpose.
Without him here to give his side of the story, this whole thread seems a tad unfair (and judging by his post counts, he probably will never read this). | | | | "The perfect is the enemy of the good." - Voltaire | | | | Last edited: by Vittra |
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