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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Royaltiger:

If the situation is as reybr described then no matter how many votes you got the Contribution should have been declined. It doesn't sound like you followed the Rules. It's not a popularity contest, which allows a user to insert bad data based on vote, regardless of what the Rules say. If ONE uiser spots a problem with a Contriobution, then the Contribution should be declined or you should correct the problem that caused the No vote. The screeners do not have access to EVERY title that is available, they are dependent on the p[eople to spot problems. Many users dion'ty care and will sleepwalk through the process and vote YES for almost anything that shows up whether it breaks the Rules or not. Those who do care, pay attention, and you should pay attention to your work as well. Follow the Rules, and fix problems if they are discovered, you will then find less problems.

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I agree with Skip on this one especially in the case of original covers Vs re-release. However, Invelos' current stance is that if there's enough good data in a contribution then it'll be accepted with the bad & it'll be for whoever to fix it later.
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I wrote "some users". I never saw you working to keep rules inept. You were not "in the line of fire" 


I never took it as a personal attack. I just wanted to state my opinion on contributions and votes.
I believe that every correct update brings us closer to the utopia of a perfect database.

I also prefer fully audited profiles, but I can imagine if you just spot an error, and you don't have the time to do a full audit, it may be wise to do a single updated, rather than have to remember the error.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I agree with Skip on this one especially in the case of original covers Vs re-release. However, Invelos' current stance is that if there's enough good data in a contribution then it'll be accepted with the bad & it'll be for whoever to fix it later.

And with all due respect to ken in this regard he is dead wrong. What the relativity effectively does is require me to setup another system and another layer of work, which I need like I need a hole in the head, to make sure that I know that I originally voted NO on this particular update and why, so that I can keep that particular piece of data out of my local. One piece of bad data should either be fixed or declined, good enough is NOT good enough.

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Thanks for the explanations much clearer now, so one other thing then will the profile status be updated at some point to say whether contribution has been accepted, and if your contribution is gaining more no votes do you accept defeat and withdraw it or is that done naturally.


Yes, usually after 2-3 days you can see the updated status of your contribution here. But I would recommend checking the vote status from time to time before that. Here's why.

When you get No votes, it is important to check the reasons provided for the vote (as reybr said: you can click on the vote count to see them). If you made a mistake or inadvertently did not follow the rules, you can withdraw your contribution (click on the Title of the profile in question at the link I provided above to get the Withdraw and Edit options), make corrections and resubmit. Thus, you will increase your chances of getting your contribution accepted.
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When you get No votes, it is important to check the reasons provided for the vote (as reybr said: you can click on the vote count to see them). If you made a mistake or inadvertently did not follow the rules, you can withdraw your contribution (click on the Title of the profile in question at the link I provided above to get the Withdraw and Edit options), make corrections and resubmit. Thus, you will increase your chances of getting your contribution accepted.

And conversely, because nobody's perfect, it also gives you the opportunity to add a comment by editing your contribution notes if for some reason you think the "no" vote(s) are invalid.
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That's very true, north!
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Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
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I agree with Skip on this one especially in the case of original covers Vs re-release. However, Invelos' current stance is that if there's enough good data in a contribution then it'll be accepted with the bad & it'll be for whoever to fix it later.

And with all due respect to ken in this regard he is dead wrong. What the relativity effectively does is require me to setup another system and another layer of work, which I need like I need a hole in the head, to make sure that I know that I originally voted NO on this particular update and why, so that I can keep that particular piece of data out of my local. One piece of bad data should either be fixed or declined, good enough is NOT good enough.

Skip


I agree. Bad data is bad data and should be kept out even if the contribution adds valid good data as well. IMO that is what the voting system is for - alerting the screeners as well as the contributor that bad data is being submitted. It should fall to the contributor to correct any erronous data and resubmit, even if it is something as small as the rating.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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I guess it's time to repeat Invelos' official stance on the matter yet again:

Quoting Ken Cole (link to original post):
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The Invelos evaluators' standing policy is to accept profiles that add significant value.  They do not have to be complete, nor even completely accurate.  If you're submitting 50 painstakingly correct cast entries but get the production year wrong, the profile should be accepted and corrected later.

"No" votes are equally valid in this case, however.  They allow the contributor a chance to correct their submission if they choose, and save someone the effort of the correction later on.

I've sent out a notes reiterating this policy to the evaluators.
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That is why I've suggested before that the Screeners should have the option of approving/declining individual sections as well as separating out the cover scans from the data. That would then allow more people to be "happy". For most contributions it would work the same as it does now, applying a Approve or Decline across the whole contribution. A percentage would get the data approved & scans declined (or vice versa) and another percentage would have individual areas approved/declined (ie Studios, Cast, Crew, etc...).

This would allow much more valid data to be added in while keeping out the bad.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Quoting T!M:
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I guess it's time to repeat Invelos' official stance on the matter yet again:

Quoting Ken Cole (link to original post):
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The Invelos evaluators' standing policy is to accept profiles that add significant value.  They do not have to be complete, nor even completely accurate.  If you're submitting 50 painstakingly correct cast entries but get the production year wrong, the profile should be accepted and corrected later.

"No" votes are equally valid in this case, however.  They allow the contributor a chance to correct their submission if they choose, and save someone the effort of the correction later on.

I've sent out a notes reiterating this policy to the evaluators.


No need to repeat it, we have mentioned it and IMO it's dead WRONG. At the very least wrong-headed.

Who died and made you the expert anyway?

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I agree with Forget.  It would be very beneficial if the Screeners could approve individual sections instead of it being an either all or nothing approval.  So, in the case T!M quoted from Ken, the Screener could accept those 50 cast entries but reject the incorrect production year.  Of course since this would cause more work for the Screeners, it probably won't be implemented.

It's the "corrected later" part of the issue that's troublesome.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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That is why I've suggested before that the Screeners should have the option of approving/declining individual sections as well as separating out the cover scans from the data. That would then allow more people to be "happy". For most contributions it would work the same as it does now, applying a Approve or Decline across the whole contribution. A percentage would get the data approved & scans declined (or vice versa) and another percentage would have individual areas approved/declined (ie Studios, Cast, Crew, etc...).

This would allow much more valid data to be added in while keeping out the bad.

I agree with that Forget.

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Quoting T!M:
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I guess it's time to repeat Invelos' official stance on the matter yet again:

Quoting Ken Cole (link to original post):
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The Invelos evaluators' standing policy is to accept profiles that add significant value.  They do not have to be complete, nor even completely accurate.  If you're submitting 50 painstakingly correct cast entries but get the production year wrong, the profile should be accepted and corrected later.

"No" votes are equally valid in this case, however.  They allow the contributor a chance to correct their submission if they choose, and save someone the effort of the correction later on.

I've sent out a notes reiterating this policy to the evaluators.


No T!M - it's not necessary for you to repeat anything, as it is clear that everyone responding to this thread is aware of this statement, but some of us do not agree - at all! 
And our opinion should not be belittled or put down based solely on a statement - at least not a statement that has not been put into the contribution rules....
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That is why I've suggested before that the Screeners should have the option of approving/declining individual sections as well as separating out the cover scans from the data. That would then allow more people to be "happy". For most contributions it would work the same as it does now, applying a Approve or Decline across the whole contribution. A percentage would get the data approved & scans declined (or vice versa) and another percentage would have individual areas approved/declined (ie Studios, Cast, Crew, etc...).

This would allow much more valid data to be added in while keeping out the bad.


Just wanted to add that this is how DVDspot worked, and it worked really well IMO. 

The all or nothing contribution process can discourage some people. Having put a lot of work into a contribution only to get it declined for a minor flaw can turn some people into non-contributers, while if the majority of said contribution gets accepted, it would help this train of thought.

I have personally grown accustomed to DVDprofiler's way of doing things, and fully support it's current state, but I have seen numorous people express their frustrations about similiar cercumstances and agree that what Forget suggested would help. And hopefully cut down on a bit of the bickering that goes on in the forums as an added bonus.
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Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
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That is why I've suggested before that the Screeners should have the option of approving/declining individual sections as well as separating out the cover scans from the data. That would then allow more people to be "happy". For most contributions it would work the same as it does now, applying a Approve or Decline across the whole contribution. A percentage would get the data approved & scans declined (or vice versa) and another percentage would have individual areas approved/declined (ie Studios, Cast, Crew, etc...).

This would allow much more valid data to be added in while keeping out the bad.


Just wanted to add that this is how DVDspot worked, and it worked really well IMO. 

The all or nothing contribution process can discourage some people. Having put a lot of work into a contribution only to get it declined for a minor flaw can turn some people into non-contributers, while if the majority of said contribution gets accepted, it would help this train of thought.

I have personally grown accustomed to DVDprofiler's way of doing things, and fully support it's current state, but I have seen numorous people express their frustrations about similiar cercumstances and agree that what Forget suggested would help. And hopefully cut down on a bit of the bickering that goes on in the forums as an added bonus.


I think a lot of times contributors regard NO-votes as personal attacks. Maybe if a note was required on YES-votes as well, this problem might go away - I don't know. But it is clear that lots of times NO-votes is regarded as a personal attack, rather than a plea to correct data deemed erronous by the NO-voter.

As said by many, many times before - this is not a popularity contest, but rather a strive to achieve a "perfect" database.... 
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