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Can we please keep personal comments, directed as specific voters, out of the contribution notes? (Locked)
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Well, the problem, Tim is that in my book YOU are abusing your Contribution Privileges, should I start pointing that out. You obviously have a problem with differing points of view, what an ego you have man. Shall I...sure it was you who told me that you had just crossed the 20,000 Contribution, just keep stroking that ego. I told you and i am very serious, I have NO IDEA what number of Contributions I have made, posts or most any other possible stat, I do keep track of my backup file size simply for humor reasons. How many of those Contributions you have made are for the same title over and over and over again and again, how many times have made some change to Bill & Ted, you usually make one or two changes at a time, and the next week a couple morte, and so on. It looks to me like you do this so that you can inflate your Contribution numbers, i don't care about any of that, Tim, I work ONLY for the benefit of the Community, not my own ego. I was floored when you bragged about that to me, and could only shake my head at the implications it carried.

I think a valid argument could be made that you launch your attacks in order to direct attention from a Contribution which know either violates the Rules, Ken and gerri's comments, or is so pathetically verified and documented. It's called the old game of misdirection, make sure they never get to see what your right hand is doing, keep it all focused on the left. Sad.

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Quoting m.cellophane:
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It's a two-way street. If we didn't have personal agendas and antagonistic savior-complex vote comments, directed at specific contributors, we wouldn't have personal comments directed back at said voters.

The problem with this stance is, once the contribution is processed, the vote comments are gone.  The contribution note are a permanent record.

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His data is correct. You are misrepresenting Ken's comments in your 'no' votes. Nowhere did Ken require profiles to be blank in order to copy from another profile.  The problem started with your vote, not with T!M's updated notes.

You are correct, Ken did clarify his statement but that doesn't excuse the personal comments in the contribution notes.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  Ken has already said that we shouldn't call voters out in the forums, do you really think it is o.k. to do it in contribution notes instead?
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Ken said

"One additional reminder to please keep the contribution vote notes completely civil at all times."

Tim & James probably construe that to mean he can say whatever he likes in his Contribution Notes.

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BTW James, I have no personal agenda against ANY user. I have a problem with t6he poor quality of notes that are being presented by some users, and the almost total lacl of verification and/or documentation as the Rules repeat many times in many places and I have a problem with a user making global changes to every copy of a movie even though he only owns ONE and cannot verify any more than HIS dataset. I don't care who the user is, that is completely IRRELEVANT to me, the same can't be said of some Contributors whose response update their notes to include personal attacks directed at someone who DARES to vote no or bow and scrape at the feet of one who has deliberately inflated his Contribution and then brags about the quantity, Do these titles really need to edited repeatedly or can they be done in one shot.

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Quoting T!M:
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Exactly. If someone votes in violation of the rules and/or Ken's comments, I have no choice but to point that out for both the voters and the screeners to see. Invelos has previously publicly stated that it's okay, even helpful, to do so. Whenever that need arises, I try to do so in a strictly matter-of-factly matter, although unsurprisingly, exactly how baffled I am at the complete and utter ridiculousness of some of these votes may sometimes shine through just a little bit. To be sure, I've reviewed the latest batch, but I don't consider any of them to be attacks - IMHO they're nothing more than appropriate responses to completely invalid and unfounded "no"-votes. I really can't help the fact that Skip automatically considers anyone disagreeing with him to be "highly offensive".

These are your notes:
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Don't lie, Skip! You know perfectly well what Ken decided:
Quoting Ken Cole:
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If you are contributing to a profile that you don't own, our only requirement is that the notes submitted accurately reflect the source of the data, and state the specific profile used as the source.


And I did exactly that. Now, is this new art crew an improvement, or isn't it? You really need to stop your destructive attempts to keep good data out of the database.


You said "Don't Lie Skip!"  That is the same as calling him a liar, which is an attack.  You went on to talk about his 'destructive attempts' and included a  .  Again, an attack.

An appropriate response would have been something along the lines of, "To the single 'no' vote, as indicated by Ken's posts in this thread, especially the one on page 17, the profile does not have to be blank."

In addition, while you his comments may not reflect what Ken said, Skip is well within his rights to vote no.  Ken said, "I would tend to allow the voters who actually own the submitted locality to make the call."  That means each person, who owns that profile, can decide whether or not they want the data.  Whether or not the data is 'good' isn't an issue for these kinds of contributions.
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The fact of the matter is that the contribution is completely correct and the "no"-vote is completely unfounded. I'll gladly stand by everything I said. Oh, and saying that Skip is a liar is not an attack - it's stating a simple fact.

You have to realize that you're picking just one side from a long line of antagonising, rules-violating no-votes: he literally votes against anything that remotely approaches correct data. Whether it's a full audit, just a strictly-as-credited addition of 3.5 art credits, or the simply the addition of a much-needed common name (current pending example: me changing a "Tea Leoni" entry to "Téa Leoni [Tea Leoni]", overwhelmingly supported by the CLT, of course): Skip votes against it every time, for no apparent reason whatsoever. Given all that, I daresay I've kept my responses extremely (maybe even too) understated.
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Quoting Unicus69:
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Whether or not the data is 'good' isn't an issue for these kinds of contributions.

Yes - heaven forbid the fact whether or not the data is 'good' would come into play. That's just a minor detail in the whole process, isn't it?   
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My no votes simply reflect a long line rule violating Contributions by you, Tim. You know full well that I also vote YES to your Contributions as well as No, don't you. But you wouldn't want to say that because it would invalidate your attack. You believe that you have the corner on interpretation and the fact is you don't. As I have said were I Ken, your repeated attacks through your vote comments wiould bring some form of swift sanctions, your behavior is totally UNACCEPTABLE.

My position remains the same for you and everyone else, Tim. If your notes aren't useful and communicative then I will vote No, ALWAYS. It has nothing to do with you, other than you refuse to provide useful notes. So any agenda is self-imposed by yourself. I view such Contributions as garbage regardless of who the user is, and they should NOT be allowed into the Online. I have said many times, I have never and will never provide such useless and non-communicative notes to accompany my data, don't ask me to vote Yes for what I view as CRAP. I don't care who the user is, it has nothing to do with you or James, or anyone else, if Ken, himself, submitted such garbage I would vote No.

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Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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your behavior is totally UNACCEPTABLE.

Likewise! 

Look: I'm really not going to let myself be dragged into this any further - you've wasted enough of everyone's time. I'm gonna go audit some profiles instead.
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How I vote is in your hands, Tim. You can predict how I am going to vote everytime.

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Quoting T!M:
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Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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your behavior is totally UNACCEPTABLE.

Likewise! 

Look: I'm really not going to let myself be dragged into this any further - you've wasted enough of everyone's time. I'm gonna go audit some profiles instead.

How typical, ROFLMAO. You attack another user, as you do frequently, and then when someone, in this case, not even the user whom you attacked, calls you on it (indirectly), you get defensive and act as if you are the agrieved. I don't think so.

I repeat as long as continue to submit what I view as CRAP , I will vote NO, each and every time and I hope that some users will join me, before you start abbreviating your contribution notes even firther.

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Okay, let's play without the kid gloves for once, then:

You are a pathetic, sad, little old man, and I refuse to deal with your nonsense and continued lies any further. 

Over and out.
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Another attack, Son, you have no idea, come to America sometime and I will show you how pathetic and little I am. What is a shame is that yoiu are rewarded for your crass behavior.

UNBELIEVABLE

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Quoting T!M:
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The fact of the matter is that the contribution is completely correct and the "no"-vote is completely unfounded. I'll gladly stand by everything I said. Oh, and saying that Skip is a liar is not an attack - it's stating a simple fact.

No, it is an opinion and it is an attack.  You know full well that, had you made that statement here in the forums, it would have been removed by a moderator.

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You have to realize that you're picking just one side from a long line of antagonising, rules-violating no-votes: he literally votes against anything that remotely approaches correct data. Whether it's a full audit, just a strictly-as-credited addition of 3.5 art credits, or the simply the addition of a much-needed common name (current pending example: me changing a "Tea Leoni" entry to "Téa Leoni [Tea Leoni]", overwhelmingly supported by the CLT, of course): Skip votes against it every time, for no apparent reason whatsoever. Given all that, I daresay I've kept my responses extremely (maybe even too) understated.

I don't have to relize anything as I am completely aware of the situation.  In this post, Ken said:

"There's also no need to call users out on "rubber stamp" yes votes.  The contribution system automatically tracks voting accuracy over time.  Users who routinely vote yes without comment, and without considering the contribution (not implying that's the case here) will devalue their vote automatically."

If the system tracks "rubber stamp" yes votes, doesn't it stand to reason that it also tracks "rubber stamp" no votes?  I am not saying that is the case here but, if Skip does vote 'no' to everything you submit, the system already takes that into account.

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Yes - heaven forbid the fact whether or not the data is 'good' would come into play. That's just a minor detail in the whole process, isn't it?   

And here is the crux of the problem.  You don't want to follow everything Ken said.  You want to follow the part that allows you to contribute to other localities, but ignore the part that lets the voters 'make the call'.  I am sorry, but you can't have it both ways.
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Quoting T!M:
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Okay, let's play without the kid gloves for once, then:

You are a pathetic, sad, little old man, and I refuse to deal with your nonsense and continued lies any further. 

Over and out.

Wow, just wow.  I don't know what you hoped to accomplish, but all we are going to end up with is another thread that is going to be locked or edited.  This is really getting old. 
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
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The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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Wow. It's amazing how there is no control at all on this forum.

From an outsiders view, it seems every discussion thread turns into a cat fight, and at what point does someone actually step up to the plate and start doing something? It's always the same person/ very few people involved, but there is absolutely zero punishment.

I don't know, when people won't submit because of this nonsense,  you lose contributors (which invelos has) and you lose solid, helpful and well liked forum members (which this forum has, and recently), maybe its time to consider a little more drastic actions?
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