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Contradiction in the Contribution Rules |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Quoting gardibolt:
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the intent is that each individual grouping (say, of producers, or the art people) is listed in the order that they're on the screen
But the art people are seven different Roles, I thought now they should be grouped and not listed in the order on the screen?! No, they must be grouped within the 'Art' credits...something the program already does...in the order credited. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Quoting gardibolt:
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the intent is that each individual grouping (say, of producers, or the art people) is listed in the order that they're on the screen
But the art people are seven different Roles, I thought now they should be grouped and not listed in the order on the screen?! That would be contrary to the Rules. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
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But the art people are seven different Roles, I thought now they should be grouped and not listed in the order on the screen?!
No, they must be grouped within the 'Art' credits...something the program already does... Precisely. Grouping within the Section 'Art' (first column) is inevitable. Then, subsection 'Role' (second column): "Group names of crew members together within each role available" Then: Quote:
in the order credited. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | As noted the program does the grouping of the departments automatically, the only thing you have to worry about is that they are listed in the order they appear On screen within each group. The program does not allow us to do a pure list in the order of appearance of the data.
In other words:
We can't do
Director
Producer
Executive producer
Screenwriter
Story By
If that was the order of appearance On Screen
Our categories woukld be according to their order within each group. No big deal
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
As noted the program does the grouping of the departments automatically, With department you mean 'Section' (Contribution Rules) respectively 'Category' (within the program)? Quote:
the only thing you have to worry about is that they are listed in the order they appear On screen within each group. Whereas group is the available 'Role'. Quote:
The program does not allow us to do a pure list in the order of appearance of the data. That's perfectly clear to me, for first we have the categories, then we have to group the available roles. A crew list like  is against the rules because not all the members are grouped together within their Role (Sound, Sound Designer, Costume Designer, Visual Effects). | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 31, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,798 |
| | Posted: | | | | Take Crew Credits from the film credits only; list names exactly as they are in the credits. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead. Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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As noted the program does the grouping of the departments automatically,
With department you mean 'Section' (Contribution Rules) respectively 'Category' (within the program)?
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the only thing you have to worry about is that they are listed in the order they appear On screen within each group.
Whereas group is the available 'Role'.
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The program does not allow us to do a pure list in the order of appearance of the data.
That's perfectly clear to me, for first we have the categories, then we have to group the available roles.
A crew list like
is against the rules because not all the members are grouped together within their Role (Sound, Sound Designer, Costume Designer, Visual Effects). |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here's just my personal opinion with regards to that example pic you just posted: mostly, the reason why these people aren't grouped together, is that the second batch really aren't the ones we're after for DVD Profiler purposes. For instance: I'm only interested in the actual costume designer, not in the additional "costume supervisor" or "wardrobe supervisor" you've credited. Similarly, I'm really only interested in the main "visual effects supervisor" credit, and not in the any of the additional effects crew from somewhere deep down in the credits. We have this perfectly mapped out for us with regards to editing (we're only to enter the "Principal Editors", "when credited together"). That takes care of this whole issue perfectly, but unfortunately, not everyone applies this practice accross the board, because the rules don't explicitly repeat it for each category. IMHO, that's the problem we should be addressing, not so much this supposed "contradiction" in the rules. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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As noted the program does the grouping of the departments automatically,
With department you mean 'Section' (Contribution Rules) respectively 'Category' (within the program)?
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the only thing you have to worry about is that they are listed in the order they appear On screen within each group.
Whereas group is the available 'Role'.
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The program does not allow us to do a pure list in the order of appearance of the data.
That's perfectly clear to me, for first we have the categories, then we have to group the available roles.
A crew list like
is against the rules because not all the members are grouped together within their Role (Sound, Sound Designer, Costume Designer, Visual Effects). WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If they are separated in the Actual list then they are separated in our list. You are trtying to make this too hard, it's very easy. Inot grouped within the category, listed as they are listed within the category. Your interpretation is bizarre and i have no idea how the Rule could POSSIBLY be interpreted that way. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think Skip is right about the correct interpretation, but I agree this si confusing. WHy do the rules tell us to group them if the program does this automagically? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ace, I don't even see any room for confusion as I stated earlier, it's very clear and I am not the only one that has said theis.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Quoting bbbbb:
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A crew list like
[image with crew cris-cross]
is against the rules because not all the members are grouped together within their Role (Sound, Sound Designer, Costume Designer, Visual Effects).
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No. Quote:
If they are separated in the Actual list then they are separated in our list. If they are separated in the actual list, then we have to group them within the Role. At least as long as you apply the Contribution Rules and not your own personal rules. Quote:
Your interpretation is bizarre and i have no idea how the Rule could POSSIBLY be interpreted that way.
I have to remind you, that almost everybody agreed to CharlieM's interpretation "They are to be entered in the correct order within the assigned subsections.". The subsection is the available Role, look at the Crew schema. If you were right, wouldn't the second part of the specific rule "list in exactly the same order credited" be sufficient? Why do you think does the rule say in the first place "Group names of crew members together within each role available"? | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | bbbb:
It is easy, you have been provided the correct information on how it works. Yet you continue, I can only conclude that you want there to be an issue for some reason. As I said before, your interpretation is bizarre and I don't even see how you could come up with it. If you start doing this your way, you will draw No votes because you are wrong and not following the Rules. <shrugs>
There is no Contradiction.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 31, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,798 |
| | Posted: | | | | To people who not understand the contribute rules, start here   | | | | Last edited: by ruben. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Great idea, ruben. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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