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CoO for "Funny Games" 2007 |
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Because a choice for "first listed gets entered, the rest does not" is arbitrary - as already indicated by your statement that they are usually listed in order of importance (my bolding).
If, however, the credits read something like "a [company X] production in association with companies Y and Z", I would not object to entering company X's CoO, because to me such wording would indicate a primary role for company X. | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | I am sorry, but it just doesn't make sense to leave it blank...at least not to me. It's like leaving the title field blank because there isn't enough room to fit the whole thing and deciding which words to abbreviate is arbitrary.
Some valid data is better than no data at all. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm not saying your point of view is not legitimate. It's one of several possibilities. What I would like to have, however, is at the very least a statement by Ken/Gerri on what to do, so at least we all handle this the same way (unlike what's the case right now).
I'm not quite following your analogy - I think they are two different animals altogether. |
| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,879 |
| Posted: | | | | Of course the other problem for some films with entering CoO from the first listed production company is that the country for that company is not listed. For example:
- En la Cama - Chile/Germany (primary company is Chile, but we would have to list Germany for Black Forest Films...) - Mongol - Kazakhstan/Germany/Russia/Mongolia (primary country is Kazakhstan, but we would have to list Germany for CTB Film Company...) - Osama - Afghanistan/Netherlands/Japan/Ireland/Iran (primary country is Afghanistan, but we would have to list Ireland for LeBrocquy Frasier Productions...)
Then you have the problem of productions like Robotech. The animation was produced as Macross, Super Dimensional Cavalry Southern Cross, and Genesis Climber Mospeada but then those three series were cut & edited together and new plot, characters and scripts created and voice actors cast & recorded to create Robotech. So all the animation would list for Japan as CoO, but Harmony Gold did all the editing, script, and vocal work for Robotech, so everything else would list for US as CoO. How do you choose at that point?
This is why we need the option of "multiple" for CoO, or the checkboxes that dee1959jay mentioned. Either one would solve the problem for international co-productions.
We also need more countries. Our selection is extremely limited right now. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield |
| Registered: May 18, 2007 | Posts: 232 |
| Posted: | | | | I can't see CoO mentioned anywhere in the rules, so I guess I'm either blind, or we should interpret this any way we'd like. |
| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Gemini76: Quote: I can't see CoO mentioned anywhere in the rules, so I guess I'm either blind, or we should interpret this any way we'd like. You're not blind, there's nothing in the rules about how to use CoO. The only mention for "Country of Origin" is for Original Title & Production Year for TV series. The only official reference I found relating to how Invelos wanted it to be used was the thread I linked in the OP. I was surprised by this film where the original title is "Funny Games U.S." but it's not a US film (as far as we're concerned) and yet, all entries currently have it listed as US. | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Gemini76: Quote: I can't see CoO mentioned anywhere in the rules, so I guess I'm either blind, or we should interpret this any way we'd like. You're right. CoO was first introduced as a DVDP field after the rules were written, and the rules were never updated to cover the field. Interpreting it any way we like is fine for local purposes, but NOT when it comes to contributing. We really need an Invelos statement here, or better yet, a programme solution for international co-productions - best of all: both. | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | Although it doesn't mean it's officially supported by Invelos, my submission changing CoO to UK for this has been accepted & released. |
| Registered: March 10, 2007 | Posts: 524 |
| Posted: | | | | It seems like in the cases where there is more than one country involved, I see these suggestions:
Use the country for the company that is listed first. or Use the country that is listed most often. or Leave the COO blank if there is more than one.
First two need clarifications when the particular country is not in the current COO list.
Are there other suggestions that would fit within today's program?
From my perspective the first option seems less prone to needing exceptions defined than the second. There is always something listed first, while there may not be a country that has a majority. Could we merge the two together somehow? Something that would provide more data value without having a very complex rule to follow.
Leaving it blank seems the most cut and dry, but also the least valuable in terms of data.
Appreciate comments. | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | If I understand you correctly, you'd go for the majority, and if there is none, the first listed. I could live with that. What's not in the current CoO list can't be used and would not count, obviously. |
| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | My personal opinion would be to go with the first listed. As you say, it's easily possible that no country has most credits & I don't see the last as an option. I would much rather have a partial entry there than to leave it entirely blank.
If a combination of the two is wanted then it could be "If a country is listed more often than others use that, if not use the first listed".
Edit: If the country is missing from the list then for the time being we'd have to pass to the next in line until the next update of the CoO list.
Edit 2: Forgot to say why I prefer to go for first listed. Put simply, it's the easiest option. You don't need to work out where they all come from, only the first. | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
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