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richie was referring to a rather offensive forum thread whose purpose was to castigate people who submitted scans that weren't up to snuff, in the opinion of the thread starter. it wasn't simply about a NO vote on a contribution.

The thread was removed in its entirety. sadly, that action has removed the context for richie's post, and appears to be causing people to call into question richie's behaviour.

this (shifting of blame onto the victim) is a very odd way to run a forum. it may well be time for me to leave it.

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So 1 user voting no for whatever reason is more important to you than 17 voting yes? Errr okay.. Maybe people should stop taking no votes personal instead. This is not a popularity contest, nor is it a competition for the most number of accepted contributions. 

This is sort of what I thought, too, Patsa.  I guess I react as badly to criticism ans anyone -- whether that criticism is valid or not (of course in MY mind it generally ISN'T valid  ).  But it seems to me to be cutting off ones' nose to spite his face when he quits contributing because of the negativity of one other user.  If 17 people voted YES on a contribution, why get all that upset by one who votes NO?  Even if that no vote included negative, rude and insulting comments, it shouldn't be worth more than the 17 yes votes.  I could understand if there were 17 people voting NO and being insulting with it.  That would be a clear indication that people didn't want the contribution.

I must not have many of the titles that Richie contributes, because I don't recall seeing that many images lately.  But if I remember correctly the contributions I have seen from Richie, some I liked and some I didn't.  That's about par for the course for me and images -- some I like and some I don't.  But that's just me.  There are some contributors whose images I never care for, but Richie isn't one of them -- so I hope he'll reconsider his decision to stop contributing.  As I said, I don't like being insulted either, and I know it's hard to ignore it when it happens.  But when I think I have something valid to contribute (and I think Richie clearly does, regardless of Skip's opinions to the contratry) I would "consider the source" and go ahead and make the contribution.  It's not like everyone hates his work.

I think you two are missing a valid point. The last thread/contribution was the last straw, not the reason for leaving. I only own a handful of titles from either party, but from what i gathered, it was consistant and constant. When you try to help others and its shot down for the sole reason of being shot down, one can continue only so long. Its volunteer work, why would anyone use their free time to be ruined the "integrity and enjoyment of DVDProfiler"?

Although i dont know many titles i share with richie, i do know hes help will be missed. All the best.

Actually I'm not surprised at all. I know that you take your data very seriously and I also know that you you have an awful lot of contributions to consider given the size of your collection.

In the past you've occasionly PM'd me, explained your view on different matters, and generally enlightened me as to several aspects of the programs evolution. Also you've (more than once) offered to assist me if I needed it. I expressed my gratitude for your taking the time to communicate with me in that manner and have absolutely no problem in doing so again publicly: Thanks again. (This is genuine, so please don't read sarcasm or whatever into it)

If you will reread your own post (the one I am responding to now I mean) you will see that you just explained something in a solid, clear, civil and in no way offensive manner. And THAT is precisely my point. You have a right to vote NO if you don't like a scan, just as others have a right to vote YES if they dó like it. But your NO doesn't have to be offensively phrased.

Maybe it's just me but I've read an awful lot of posts in the 5 monthes I've been a part of this community, and my impression is that on quite a few matters you and unicus seem to have very similar views. It's an awful shame that, while basically making the same point, your post can often easily be read as arrogant, while unicus' post reads completely differently because of the way it is phrased.

Don't make the mistake of thinking I don't respect you. I do. I'd just respect you more if you showed more respect to others.

And this (and my previous post) is not a personal attack on you. It's a call for more civil behaviour from all of us, including you ánd me. I think it's incredibly sad, and we should all be ashamed, if good people feel the need to leave because they're tired of being insulted.

However there are a few users who seem to think it's ok to stomp all over someone else's work or opinion. They feel we should have thick skins and whatnot. That it's freedom of speech and so on.
That's an attitude I will never conform to. Civility should be the norm, and a thick skin shouldn't be a requirement.

And every so often, when I've seen one rude remark too many, I'll react. (And for me also : who the user is, is at that point completely and totally irrevelant.) Sure, it'll probably be ignored, but if that's the deciding factor, we could all stop posting.

In the past few weeks I've seen a few people refer to other's efforts as "crap". Not saying that was you, not saying it wasn't (I can remember one name, but not all of them), so I'm saying this in general. To me there is NEVER any excuse to talk that way to another user and anyone doing so should be temporarily banned.

Cheers,
Steve

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Another point is, the guy isn't cutting off his nose to spite his face.  I mean, what will he be missing out?  He still owns the program.  He still gets to download updates.  He still gets to work on his own covers and database.  About the only thing he's going to lose out on is the BS that goes on in these forums.  Frankly, he makes it look like a damn attractive decision.

You're right, mdnitoil, Richie won't be missing out anything but the BS.  But there are users who have appreciated his work who will miss out on it, if he stops contributing.  Based on the 17:1 yea/nay votes he cited for his last contribution, more people want his work than don't.

Maybe I'm thicker skinned than most (though I find THAT hard to believe), and granted, I haven't suffered being pilloried in a thread for my contributions, but I believe people should pay more attention to the positives in these forums than the negatives -- unless there are more negatives than positives.  I know it's easy for me to suggest that Richie try to ignore his detractors.  But by his withdrawing from participation, the other side wins by default.

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richie was referring to a rather offensive forum thread whose purpose was to castigate people who submitted scans that weren't up to snuff, in the opinion of the thread starter. it wasn't simply about a NO vote on a contribution.

The thread was removed in its entirety. sadly, that action has removed the context for richie's post, and appears to be causing people to call into question richie's behaviour.

this (shifting of blame onto the victim) is a very odd way to run a forum. it may well be time for me to leave it.

It wasn't offensive in the slightest. A guy was voting on his DVDs, and noticed a horrible screenshot (and it was clearly horrible) replace a perfectly good one, so he and a lot of others voted no. It turned out the horrible scan was submitted by Skip, and was approved, despite the no votes. This came down and replaced the good screenshot in the original poster's database. So his thread was how on earth this was approved, even when there were "no" votes present. He asked if the voting system was basically "rigged" or if some users (namely Skip) were being given special treatment. Skip threatened in the thread to have it removed, and apparently he succeeded.

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richie was referring to a rather offensive forum thread whose purpose was to castigate people who submitted scans that weren't up to snuff, in the opinion of the thread starter. it wasn't simply about a NO vote on a contribution.

The thread was removed in its entirety. sadly, that action has removed the context for richie's post, and appears to be causing people to call into question richie's behaviour.

this (shifting of blame onto the victim) is a very odd way to run a forum. it may well be time for me to leave it.

It wasn't offensive in the slightest. A guy was voting on his DVDs, and noticed a horrible screenshot (and it was clearly horrible) replace a perfectly good one, so he and a lot of others voted no. It turned out the horrible scan was submitted by Skip, and was approved, despite the no votes. This came down and replaced the good screenshot in the original poster's database. So his thread was how on earth this was approved, even when there were "no" votes present. He asked if the voting system was basically "rigged" or if some users (namely Skip) were being given special treatment. Skip threatened in the thread to have it removed, and apparently he succeeded.

Wrong thread.  Richie was responding to a post started by Skip, not the post about Skip.

ETA: m.cellophane covered it in detail.

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richie was referring to a rather offensive forum thread whose purpose was to castigate people who submitted scans that weren't up to snuff, in the opinion of the thread starter. it wasn't simply about a NO vote on a contribution.

The thread was removed in its entirety. sadly, that action has removed the context for richie's post, and appears to be causing people to call into question richie's behaviour.

this (shifting of blame onto the victim) is a very odd way to run a forum. it may well be time for me to leave it.

It wasn't offensive in the slightest. A guy was voting on his DVDs, and noticed a horrible screenshot (and it was clearly horrible) replace a perfectly good one, so he and a lot of others voted no. It turned out the horrible scan was submitted by Skip, and was approved, despite the no votes. This came down and replaced the good screenshot in the original poster's database. So his thread was how on earth this was approved, even when there were "no" votes present. He asked if the voting system was basically "rigged" or if some users (namely Skip) were being given special treatment. Skip threatened in the thread to have it removed, and apparently he succeeded.

That's not the thread that Richie linked to in the OP of this thread. Yesterday Skip started a thread to complain about images contributed by a nameless user on several nameless contributions, enforcing his will, not representative of actual covers, yadda yadda. It was the flip side of the thread you refer to. Those of us with the original R1 releases in the James Bond franchise knew who he was talking about. The fact that he didn't name Richie didn't effectively diminish the impact of the attack or the difference between it and the Star Trek cover thread.

Anyway, this morning...it's gone.

James if you believe that I was referring to richie then you clearly missed the whole point. Richie had nothing to do with it.

Skip

Sorry to see you go richie. It seems like quite a few users have chosen to head away from here recently.