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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | All caps for me as well. While I understand that it is a different font style, we do not replicate font styles. If the letter looks like a capital letter, that is what we enter...unless the entire overview is in caps. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | I went with mixed case based on the following (see bolded section) (obviously this is open to debate): Quoting Wikipedia: Quote: In typography, small capitals (usually abbreviated small caps) are uppercase (capital) characters set at the same height as surrounding lowercase (small) letters or text figures. They are used in running text to prevent capitalized words from appearing too large on the page, and as a method of emphasis or distinctiveness for text alongside or instead of italics, or when boldface is inappropriate. For example, they can be used to draw attention to the opening phrase or line of a new section of text, or to provide an additional style in a dictionary entry where many parts must be typographically differentiated.
Typically, the height of a small capital will be one ex, the same height as most lowercase characters in the font; classically, small caps were very slightly taller than x-height.[citation needed] Well-designed small capitals are not simply scaled-down versions of normal capitals; they normally retain the same stroke weight as other letters, and a wider aspect ratio to facilitate readability.
Many word processors and text formatting systems include an option to format text in caps and small caps; this leaves uppercase letters as they are, but converts lowercase letters to small caps. How this is implemented depends on the typesetting system; some can use true small caps associated with a font, making text such as "Latvia joined NATO on March 29, 2004" look proportional, but most modern digital fonts do not have a small-caps case, so the typesetting system simply reduces the uppercase letters by a fraction, making them look out of proportion. (Often,[citation needed] in text, the next bolder version of the small caps generated by such systems will match well with the normal weights of capitals and lower case, especially when such small caps are extended about 5% or letterspaced a half point or a point.) We actually do this quite frequently when determining whether a person's name has more than one capital letter in it, e.g. Carrol O'Connor. Since cast credits are very often done in all caps, capitals are frequently done in a larger font while lowercase letters are done in a smaller font. I often use this display method when determining how to capitalize an actor's last name. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 171 |
| Posted: | | | | I would not vote No on a submission either way. Each argument has its own merits. This is just another example of trying to capture a visual/graphic presentation into a text field. It is obvious that the publisher wanted to present this portion of the overview in a way that makes it stand out. But, we don't have the flexibility to capture it exactly... Oh, that's right, we do! It's the image of the back cover. Sorry, couldn't help with a little sarcasm there! Not directed at anybody here, just the silliness of the situation. As long as the data (words) are accurately captured, it really doesn't matter to me if all of the graphic nuances are there or not. They provide little value in a database. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,819 |
| Posted: | | | | Whether they are big all small the simple fact is that the names are ALL in capital letters.
So BRAD PITT and ANTHONY HOPKINS would be correct imo. |
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Registered: May 10, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote: Whether they are big all small the simple fact is that the names are ALL in capital letters.
So BRAD PITT and ANTHONY HOPKINS would be correct imo. Agreed! | | | Berak
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 168 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote: Quoting Pantheon:
Quote: Whether they are big all small the simple fact is that the names are ALL in capital letters.
So BRAD PITT and ANTHONY HOPKINS would be correct imo.
Agreed! Triple agreed! |
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Registered: December 13, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: I really don't have a preference, I just want to handle these consistently. So which is it? Are you willing to comply with whatever the majority decides on then? (Could still go either way) |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Mallrat: Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: I really don't have a preference, I just want to handle these consistently. So which is it?
Are you willing to comply with whatever the majority decides on then? (Could still go either way) Even if Tim agreed with that (and not saying he would or wouldn't)... I am afraid it still wouldn't be consistent. I have seen such things several times around here... without a statement from Ken or Gerri each group will always vote with the way they believe is right... so some titles will go through... and some will not. Meaning no consistency. | | | Pete |
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Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Mallrat: Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: I really don't have a preference, I just want to handle these consistently. So which is it?
Are you willing to comply with whatever the majority decides on then? (Could still go either way) Well with polls like this the majority can keep changing like it has with this one. In addition I agree with what Addicted has said regarding needing an official response to clear it up for sure. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 940 |
| Posted: | | | | If I were entering it, it would be all caps. But I can see the argument that mixed case could also be used. As others have pointed out, that is a very common situation for end credits. I wouldn't vote against mixed case, and unless the overview were completely wrong, I probably would not bother to change only that even if doing a wider profile update. | | | Kevin |
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Registered: May 8, 2007 | Posts: 823 |
| Posted: | | | | It's called small caps. Entering it in all caps is TOTALLY WRONG. I would vote "no" for all caps. Proper case is what is on the overview, that is what gets entered. You don't enter your "impressions," just exactly what you see on the case, and you can clearly see that the first letters of the names are larger than the others, hence proper case, with capital letters.
It's a no brainer to me, I can't believe some people see it differently. | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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Registered: December 13, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 334 |
| Posted: | | | | An official reply would definitely be best as I also stated in my previous post. The problem is though, that this is the case for a lot of the contribution problems we run in to.
Most often however, we don't get an official response.
So if we are looking for consistency and nobody has strong principle objections to going one way or the other, agreeing to follow the majority is the closest we can get to consistency. (At this point it could still go either way, but within a few days more or less everyone that's going to vote will have done so.)
Of course if some users do have strong objections then it just have to stay unclear, with everyone doing what they feel is best, until we eventually do get an official statement. |
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Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote: It's called small caps. Entering it in all caps is TOTALLY WRONG. I would vote "no" for all caps. Proper case is what is on the overview, that is what gets entered. You don't enter your "impressions," just exactly what you see on the case, and you can clearly see that the first letters of the names are larger than the others, hence proper case, with capital letters.
It's a no brainer to me, I can't believe some people see it differently. As Pantheon pointed out though all of the letters are capitals. I enter what I see, I see capital letters I enter capitals. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote: It's called small caps. Entering it in all caps is TOTALLY WRONG. I would vote "no" for all caps. Proper case is what is on the overview, that is what gets entered. You don't enter your "impressions," just exactly what you see on the case, and you can clearly see that the first letters of the names are larger than the others, hence proper case, with capital letters.
It's a no brainer to me, I can't believe some people see it differently. Going by this poll most people see it differently. And like most people what I see is capital lettering no matter the size so it makes the most sense to me to enter it in all capital lettering. But thanks for helping to prove my point that it is something that will need an official answer. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
As Pantheon pointed out though all of the letters are capitals. I enter what I see, I see capital letters I enter capitals. Technically, they are not uppercase "capital letters". They are "Small Capitals". They are not the same thing. As I posted above, when true uppercase capitals are mixed with small capitals, the small capitals are representative of lowercase characters, not uppercase characters. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,819 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
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As Pantheon pointed out though all of the letters are capitals. I enter what I see, I see capital letters I enter capitals.
Technically, they are not uppercase "capital letters". They are "Small Capitals". They are not the same thing.
As I posted above, when true uppercase capitals are mixed with small capitals, the small capitals are representative of lowercase characters, not uppercase characters. Given that we are unable to reproduce the text exactly as seen I think you're splitting hairs. The simple fact (as I stated earlier) is that they letters are all capitals - and given our limited abilities in this matter, their size should not be taken into account. |
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