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| Registered: March 10, 2007 |  Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | If we go the renaming route, it would likely be "5.1 (matrixed 6.1)" or similar. Good note on the ES matrixed/discrete availability, you're quite right. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
If we go the renaming route, it would likely be "5.1 (matrixed 6.1)" or similar. Good note on the ES matrixed/discrete availability, you're quite right. If you call it something like that, no need to rename. |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Definitely lock the DD EX one, otherwise we have ping pong with 5.1 and 6.1  | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
How will mono be handled?
On any number of releases of older films, the soundtrack is dolby digital mono, yet repeated over multiple channels. As a result, the people who focus on the number of channels give us erroneous data. However, changing it so that we know it's simply dolby digital and it has two channels isn't any more helpful.
I guess I'm asking if Dolby Digital Mono is a format choice, and if not, please consider adding it. ..and Dolby Digital Plus in Mono.. Will this be covered as well? | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| | Registered: April 13, 2007 |  Posts: 651 |
| | Posted: | | | | Would also like an option that says: "Voice Over" some titles in Norway/scandinavia has soundtracks in Russian, but only with a Voice Over. A russian man/woman explain in russian what's going on in the movie. | | | "What's God?"
"You know when you want something really bad and you wish for it?, God's the guy that ignores you"
-The Island, Steve Buscemi |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 868 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bentyman: Quote:
Would also like an option that says: "Voice Over" some titles in Norway/scandinavia has soundtracks in Russian, but only with a Voice Over. A russian man/woman explain in russian what's going on in the movie. Wait, what?!? You mean it's a russian movie with only a voice-over or a Hollywood movie with, instead of subtitles and/or dub, you'd get a voice over explaining everything? Paul |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | They do that often in Russia or Poland, one guy just voicing over all actors of western films, even the women  it is crazy I know cheers Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,217 |
| | | Registered: April 13, 2007 | | Posts: 651 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bentyman: Quote:
Would also like an option that says: "Voice Over" some titles in Norway/scandinavia has soundtracks in Russian, but only with a Voice Over. A russian man/woman explain in russian what's going on in the movie. To clearify. Under Content in audiosection it should be a field that says Voice Over. We have "Other" now, but V.O. should be representated | | | "What's God?"
"You know when you want something really bad and you wish for it?, God's the guy that ignores you"
-The Island, Steve Buscemi |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 151 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think we need:
- Can determinated comentary in wich language is spoken. I have a Ang Lee Tiger and Dragon, with original comentary in english, and dubbed comentary in spanish.
- The same for audiodescriptive for people with waching problems. I can have dubbed in spanish and another dubbed in spanish with mixed descriptions. I think that is very, very, very important and essential for these peoples.
- Will be interesting mixured options for languages. Think in Inglorius Bastards for example. I understand that can be dificult, but sometimes is need.
- Will be interesting for comentaries, can have who is/are talking information. Think in Se7en with 4 comentarys.
- Will be interesting a option for dubbed with insert for new/old times censured dialoges. Many films have a mixed like these.
- Will be interesting diference with spains spanish (castilian) and southamerica spanish (latino). Now are many international editions with the two tracks. An example, the great musical An American in Paris.
I think was a post with audio language request, for audio system and subtitle system for improve. But i Can't find easy now. Nobody can find? |
| | Registered: April 2, 2007 | | Posts: 156 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bentyman: Quote:
... some titles in Norway/scandinavia has soundtracks in Russian... Reminds me of the habit in Scandinavia to make co-productions, with actors from Denmark, Sweden and/or Norway, each speaking his/her language. ( Partly due to funding, issues I guess...) In my contributions I have used the language of the country where the action is supposed to happen, a kind of majority principle. It will be wrong to enter this as multiple soundtracks to be able to track the different spoken languages, I'm sure you agree... "Other" gives no meaning. As opening for more languages in one soundtrack this might cause mess in the db, the best solution will probably be to "accept" these (few) exceptions, using eg. "my principle"? | | | | Karsten |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 302 |
| | Posted: | | | |  1.0 = Mono  1.1 = Mono + LFE  2.0 Mono = mat. Center  2.1 Mono = mat. Center + LFE  2.0 = Stereo  2.1 = Stereo + LFE  3.0 = Stereo + Center  3.1 = Stereo + Center + LFE  4.0 = Stereo + Center + Surround-Mono (Standard-Cinema-"Stereo" -> DolbySR)  4.1 = Stereo + Center + Surround-Mono + LFE  2-2.0 = Stereo + mat. Center + mat. Surround-Mono (e.G.: Dolby Surround, dts Stereo, UltraStereo, Chase Surround)  2-2.1 = Stereo + mat. Center + mat. Surround-Mono + LFE  4.0 Quadrophonie = Stereo + Surround-Stereo  4.1 Quadrophonie = Stereo + Surround-Stereo + LFE  5.0 = Stereo + Center + Surround-Stereo  5.1 = Stereo + Center + Surround-Stereo + LFE  5-1.1 = Stereo + Center + Surround-Stereo + mat. Surround-Center + LFE ( DolbyDigital 5.1EX, dts 6.1ES mat. )  6.1 = Stereo + Center + Surround-Stereo + Surround-Center + LFE (dts 6.1 ES discrete)  7.1 = Stereo + Center + Surround-Stereo + Surround-Background-Stereo + LFE .gif) SDDS 7.1 = = Stereo + Center-Stereo + Center-Center + Surround-Stereo + LFE (normally not in Home-Cinema) | | | regards, Mad -
My HD-Media, DVDs, Laserdiscs |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 302 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
I'm working on the audio format changes for version 3.6 (thanks, Ace_of_Sevens and others for your effort and input!).
3.6 will split the audio format into two fields: Format and Channels, with automatic conversion of existing data. a very good step-back Quote:
I'd like to solicit opinions on the following case: Currently, 3.5 supports "Dolby Digital Surround EX", which it considers to have 6.1 channels. Currently, 3.6 does not include "Dolby Digital Surround EX" as a format. Instead, these would be converted to "Dolby Digital," with "6.1 (matrixed)" channels.
According to my research, Dolby Digital Surround EX is actually 6.1 channels matrixed onto 5.1. However, each DVD I've checked calls them "Dolby Digital EX 5.1 Surround" or similar.
As coded, it is likely that this will create confusion - some users would contribute these tracks as "Dolby Digital" "5.1", and others as "Dolby Digital" "6.1 (matrixed)". DD5.1 is wrong. DD EX is "6.1 matrixed" (so 5.1 discrete + 1 matrixed channel) Quote:
I've therefore tentatively decided to include "Dolby Digital Surround EX" as a format choice, with the channels locked at 6.1 (matrixed) for this choice.
Alternatively, I could convert these as Dolby Digital 5.1, and lock Dolby Digital to a max of 5.1.
Or, I could include "Dolby Digital Surround EX" as planned, but give the channel choice as "5.1 (6.1 matrixed)"
Similarly, DTS ES (Matrixed) is being converted to DTS, 6.1 (Matrixed). Yet, DVDs I've checked frequently call the track "5.1 DTS-ES".
Thoughts? personally i wouldn't use "DD EX" or "DTS ES" at all but using "DD / 6.1 matrixed" or "DTS / 6.1 discrete" or "DTS / 6.1 matrixed", because "DD EX" und "DTS ES" are just marketing-brands | | | regards, Mad -
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 302 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
Definitely lock the DD EX one, otherwise we have ping pong with 5.1 and 6.1 why? DDEX is definitly 6.1 matrixed (and not only 5.1) Regards | | | regards, Mad -
My HD-Media, DVDs, Laserdiscs |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 302 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hi Ken,
"Dolby Digital Surround" is also just a brand like "DD EX" ans "DTS ES"
So "DD Surround" --> "Dolby Digital / 2.0 surround matrixed" (or just "2.0 surround")
Because Dilby Surround is no 3-channel. It's 2 discrete stereo-channels and 2 matrixed mono-channels for center an surround (ALWAYS!)
Regards
mad | | | regards, Mad -
My HD-Media, DVDs, Laserdiscs | | | | Last edited: by madacid |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 302 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Katatonia: Quote:
Quoting Ken Cole:
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Dolby Digital Mono is an option. The full list will be open for debate when the beta launches. In the mean time, DD EX and DTS ES are the only ones I need feedback on.
PCM Mono and DTS Stereo options will also be included finally, I hope? 
... isn't "DTS stereo" the same as "Dolby Surround"? So "2.0 surround" (matrixed mono-center and mono-surround) (and it's just a brand. DTS stereo isn't even nessecarily digital, as I remember right. And has nothing really to do with the DTS-sound we know now)  = | | | regards, Mad -
My HD-Media, DVDs, Laserdiscs | | | | Last edited: by madacid |
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