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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | When you want to add by title, you find in the database 27 "Ghosts of Mars", and 4 "John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars".
Happy to see common sense prevail on strict application of rules, until zeal of users obsessed by rules make this title unfoundable as are many movies that nobody will search under eccentric titles... | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | Interestingly it is called 'JOHN CARPENTER'S GHOST OF MARS' all in same font, italics and capitals, within the overview on the back cover.
Locally I wouldn't add it, but for the database I think you have it right. | | |  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Right... the rules states that the info is to come from the credit block unless there is no quotes around the title in the credit block... then that is when you use size of font on front cover and such. As the first post shows there is quotes in the credit block so that is what is used per Rules. So John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars is the correct title in this case. Agreed. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VibroCount: Quote:
The rules are the rules.
Having written that, I don't care what the rules are (but I will not submit a profile with a possessive), I dislike possessives in titles, and I remove them locally and lock the title. The only possessives I allow in are ones which refer to the book author's name (Bram Stoker's Dracula, etc.), rather than the filmmaker's.
Please, follow the rules as you submit (as do I), and let me have my local database in my own world. This. Quoting DJ Doena Quote:
Technically you are correct, T!M. Technically it's "John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars". But since I don't like possessives in general and since the "John Caprenter's" is so blantantly different from "Ghosts of Mars" I (I = me, DJ Doena) would not try to force the technically correct title upon the DVD owners.
If someone would hold this DVD under my nose and asked me for the title I would answer with the text in the big white shiny letters.
But that's just me. And this. I would lock down the title locally to avoid this. While technically it's the rules, I've never heard anyone refer to any of Carpenter's movies as John Carpenter's X. It's just not done, and is only used on the covers to stroke the director's ego. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
When you want to add by title, you find in the database 27 "Ghosts of Mars", and 4 "John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars".
Happy to see common sense prevail on strict application of rules, until zeal of users obsessed by rules make this title unfoundable as are many movies that nobody will search under eccentric titles... or they could just use the full substring filter... as that is what that checkbox is meant for. When I searched that way I found 32 Ghost of Mars profiles... including one you didn't find in the Mexican Locality. Another thing to remember... It depends on the release... for one release Ghosts of Mars could be the correct title... but for another John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars would be correct. It all depends on the case for each release. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
{{SNIP}}... I've never heard anyone refer to any of Carpenter's movies as John Carpenter's X. It's just not done, and is only used on the covers to stroke the director's ego. I wouldn't say it isn't done... as I have heard people refer to these movies with the full title including possessive. Matter of fact it wasn't too long ago while in Walmart I was looking through the DVDs when a customer came over to the DVD section and asked the clerk there if they had a copy of John Carpenter's Vampires in... so it definitely does happen. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
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When you want to add by title, you find in the database 27 "Ghosts of Mars", and 4 "John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars".
Happy to see common sense prevail on strict application of rules, until zeal of users obsessed by rules make this title unfoundable as are many movies that nobody will search under eccentric titles...
or they could just use the full substring filter... as that is what that checkbox is meant for. When I searched that way I found 32 Ghost of Mars profiles... including one you didn't find in the Mexican Locality.
Another thing to remember... It depends on the release... for one release Ghosts of Mars could be the correct title... but for another John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars would be correct. It all depends on the case for each release. Matter of fact I just checked this out in the beta... and the checkbox is on by default so as long as you type just part of the title you will still get all the releases. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 24, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,044 |
| | Posted: | | | | T!M, I have the same copy as you have shown and I agree it should be "John Carpenter's Ghost of Mars".  Rory  | | | DVD Profiler for iOS as of 3/5/2013
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| Registered: April 3, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,998 |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm one of the two who have vote no on this contribution. I don't agree with the change since there are no possessive on the front cover, but after an exchange of PM with Tim I've change my vote to neutral. But it sure gave me another exemple of why the database is useless as it is  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
I'm one of the two who have vote no on this contribution. I don't agree with the change since there are no possessive on the front cover... According to the image T!M provided, there is a possesive on the front cover. Unless he gave us a bogus cover, I am confused by this statement.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | one name written one million time smaller than the title doesn't equal possessive. This so-called rule had never make sense in the first place and there are no logic in using a title who doesn't exist anywhere else in the world. But don't count on me to get in an argument for something so futile that's why I've removed my vote... | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I downloaded the profile to check it out myself... the front cover that T!M provided is what is in the online database.. I think what AESP_pres meant was that he didn't believe that small text of a possessive to be part of the title.
But if I am correct it wouldn't matter as it is per the rules... it is shown on the front cover and backed up in the credit box with quotes around the whole thing.
While I downloaded the profile I peeked in on the voting... both no votes are gone and there is now just 1 yes vote at this time... so that is good. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | For what it's worth, the US version (043396062504) has the possessive in the title. I personally don't like these possessives as they mess up my order, but that's what sort title is for.  Even funner: My French Vampires is just Vampires in credit block (John Carpenter's is there, but the quotes are only around Vampires). Here's the UPC if you want to look. 3357803059139 | | | | Last edited: by bigdaddyhorse |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rule change was made to prevent possessives, not to promote them. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Actually the rule was changed to add them whenever Invelos felt they were part of the title... and to prevent them when Invelos felt they were not. That is why they came up for a rule to allow them into the database for right instances.
I remember when it was first being changed... Ken's first version of the rule was to always add them if they were on the front cover... no if's and's or but's. But enough people complained about that idea to change it to what we have now. | | | | Pete |
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